Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 10th Mar 2007 23:16 UTC, submitted by da_Chicken
Debian and its clones "Debian GNU/Linux used to have a reputation as the toughest GNU/Linux distribution to install, yet the easiest to maintain. In fact, Debian's package management system has played a huge role in the proliferation of projects based on Debian. Suffice it to say that anyone who can install their own operating system can generally install Debian Etch with little or no trouble. If you've never installed Debian before, it's fairly easy to walk through the default installation without realizing you have options. Let's explore the Debian Installer, to find out just what options we do have."
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RE[7]: To be honest...
by farfromhome on Mon 12th Mar 2007 23:59 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: To be honest..."
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Member since:
2007-02-19

I'm the one giving giving concrete reasons for finding Anaconda superior. I'm not the one referencing abstractions like "elegance".

No, but I was never claiming it to be the best for everyone and everything, so subjective reasons are just fine. And you haven't given any concrete reasons yourself, just anectodes, which are impossible to prove or deny. (I did give one concrete example of one area of superiority though: portability.) Speaking of which...

Are you saying that dead architectures, obscure even in their heyday, are the future of Linux?

No, just that no one installer is best for everything. Business deployments are not the end-all, be-all either. In fact, often people using something at home will lead them to ask about it at work. Just ask our friendly monopolist, Microsoft. Ubuntu is the distro to keep an eye on at this moment, whatever my personal feelings about it.

And as you admit, it's not pretty or friendly, so it's not the best for home installations, either.

I never said it wasn't friendly. The actual steps (partitioning, root password, normal user, selecting whether it's a desktop or a server, etc...), are pretty standard. Put a home user in front of either (with the GTK+ version of the Debian installer), and it will look pretty much the same.

As for beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder (I don't think either is particularly pretty). All I was saying is that, thanks to its modularity, the front-end is easily changed. If you think it's ugly, make it more pretty yourself. (And a non-pretty, text-based installer never stopped people, even some "dumb" home users with the help of their power-user friends, from reinstalling Win2K/WinXP when necessary.)

For non-standard installations, that's where the differences will show. And I still submit that Anaconda is better in some situations, d-i in others.

As for the Kool-aid quip, just stop with the personal insults. They add nothing to the conversation and do nothing to further your position.

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RE[8]: To be honest...
by sbergman27 on Tue 13th Mar 2007 00:18 in reply to "RE[7]: To be honest..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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And you haven't given any concrete reasons yourself, just anectodes, which are impossible to prove or deny.
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Send me a CD that uses the Debian installer that I can pop into pretty much any machine that I find at a client site that will install Linux on its local hard drive and have it automatically reboot into a login screen from the local XDMCP server.

It needs to start esd from inittab.

But if it is not on the local lan and is talking to the server over a WAN link, it needs to be smart enough to install and configure nxclient, as well, and disable esd.

And please don't have it run any unneeded services. But do have it run needed ones, like cupsd, on those workstations with printers attached.

I do this every day... with Anaconda and Kickstart.

Is that concrete enough?

Let me know when you have completed your assignment.

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RE[9]: To be honest...
by da_Chicken on Tue 13th Mar 2007 10:44 in reply to "RE[8]: To be honest..."
da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

The debian-installer has an in-built capacity for automatic installs that equals Anaconda and Kickstart. What you can do with it depends on the skills of the administrator. If you're genuinely interested, take a look at the documentation and examples:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed

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