Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 12th Mar 2007 17:38 UTC, submitted by sogabe
BeOS & Derivatives Haiku has its first distribution, but it's not coming from the Haiku development team. Pingwinek has just released GNU/Haiku 0.1.0, what is claimed to be (probably?) the first distribution of the Haiku operating system, coming from Poland. According to the Pingwinek home page, GNU/Haiku consists of the base Haiku system plus 40 packages ported from the Pingwinek GNU/Linux distribution, and it includes the GCC 2.95.3 compiler, several simple games, SDL, Midnight Commander, and ncurses. GNU/Haiku can be run from a HDD, in QEMU and VMWare or as a Live CD. Screenshots are available, and the images can be download from this page.
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Come on people...
by mjmoran on Tue 13th Mar 2007 08:22 UTC
mjmoran
Member since:
2005-08-13

I have never seen this board so hostile to a new project. I haven't ran the cd yet( im going to let ftp usage die down some), however, its stupid to kick the project in the teeth on day one.

I find it hypocritical for people to say that GNU/Haiku is theft of the Haiku name, or that it is dirtying Haiku. First, how long did Haiku use the name OpenBeOS? Im pretty sure BeOS was trademarked, and if my memory serves me properly, one reason they changed the name was to avoid trademark problems which could crop up in the future. Secondly, maybe this is a working name, it does fit, Haiku w/ some gnu userland utilities. And BeOS used bash and came with gnu tools. So adding more gnu userland tools doesn't really seem to be a problem.

Secondly, why are people against innovation? Has anyone considered the good that could come out of this project? I can think of several good things that can come out of this project. First, more developers. And thats always good. Secondly, this project, or any which uses the Haiku codebase and shows it to a wider audiance brings the potential to increase awareness of Haiku, and with that comes more apps.

The operating system is really tangental to actually getting work done. Sure some systems are more or less productive, but it really comes down to what apps can run on it. I don't see whats wrong with a full gnu userland w/ the Haiku kernel. I didn't see this complaining when people were strapping BeOS kits and api's to a linux system, ala Cosmoe or BlueEyedOS.

Basically, everyone needs to relax. The alternate OS crowd is small enough as it is, there is no reason for infighting. Anything with uses the code is good for everyone. It makes little sense to throw a fit at an OSS project that is just starting.

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RE: Come on people...
by Jack Burton on Tue 13th Mar 2007 09:35 in reply to "Come on people..."
Jack Burton Member since:
2005-07-06

"I don't see whats wrong with a full gnu userland w/ the Haiku kernel"

Note that this distro is not a full gnu userland with the haiku kernel.
Haiku isn't a kernel. It's a full featured OS, that's why distros aren't absolutely needed, unlike in the linux world.

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RE: Come on people...
by jonas.kirilla on Tue 13th Mar 2007 10:19 in reply to "Come on people..."
jonas.kirilla Member since:
2005-07-11

*We* are complaining because it's *our* toes he's stepping on. If you don't feel anything it's because he's not stepping on yours. Does the fact that you feel nothing negate our feeling of hurt?

(I don't want to overstate this feeling, we risk loosing face, but I think it's clear that Pingwinek struck a disharmonic chord with the BeOS/Zeta/Haiku community.)

The "GNU/" naming error, the Penguin-theme, and the premature Haiku distromaking are clear indicators, to me, that the maker of "GNU/Haiku" is not part of the BeOS/Zeta/Haiku community and doesn't understand our feelings on these "soft" issues.

FWIW, I have given at least some constructive criticism. I've suggested two alternative names, Laika and Haidi, in this thread:
http://haiku-os.org/community/forum/pingwinek_gnu_haiku_haiku_distr...

It's fine if you want to put all of GNU on top of Haiku's kernel. We (post-BeOS people, etc) prefer to keep the GPL parts as few as possible. Many of us would stay away from a GPL:ized Haiku and would cringe if a -true- GNU/Haiku was created. One with all of GNU and the X window system, and without the BeOS APIs and daemons.

Haiku isn't a "Darwin". It's a full "MacOS X", which includes a lot of open-source software, but the whole is so much more.

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RE[2]: Come on people...
by mjmoran on Tue 13th Mar 2007 13:59 in reply to "RE: Come on people..."
mjmoran Member since:
2005-08-13

Why have it open source then? If the concern is people rolling their own then close the source down and do it internally. And I would care to imagine that not all post-BeOS people are so repelled by the gpl, im not. It did power a good deal of BeOS's command line.

"Does the fact that you feel nothing negate our feeling of hurt? "
What hurt? Someone was well within his rights to create something, and he did. Why not imbrace the fact people are doing what they should with open source, tinkering, creating, changing. And I don't feel nothing, im excited. The more usage the better. The more tinkering the better. I would like a day when I can run Haiku w/ and run my linux apps side by side. Nothing is wrong with that. The design of BeOS is unsurpassed, and if the Haiku project can duplicate and improve on it, then there is nothing but good things that can come from it.

Personally for me, whereas I loved BeOS, I never really liked most of the apps. A lot of things were shareware and such, some good open source, but not enough. NIH(not invented here) syndrome won't help Haiku gain acceptance in the market.

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