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Gnome "Today, the GNOME Project celebrates the release of GNOME 2.18, the latest version of the popular, multi-platform Free desktop environment." The GNOME 2.18 start page has all the details, such as release notes, download locations, and screenshots.
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RE: For a...
by superstoned on Thu 15th Mar 2007 10:36 UTC in reply to "For a..."
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Maybe alive, but they didn't seem add much interesting. Tomboy's mono dependency is pretty much overkill for something as simple as note-taking - it's mostly on par with Knotes, but can't get close to Basket. Why all the resource use?

Anyway, the best improvement is the security/signing/encryption stuff, and in that area (typical) they're years behind KDE. Finally catching up...

Sorry, but why isn't gnome doing more? They had 2 years to get ahead of KDE, but still didn't manage to put out things that where slightly better than what they had. Except for the usability area, you can't argue gnome 2.18 is much better than KDE 3.5.x, and KDE 4 is coming in 8 months...

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RE[2]: For a...
by Ookaze on Thu 15th Mar 2007 11:09 in reply to "RE: For a..."
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2005-11-14

Anyway, the best improvement is the security/signing/encryption stuff, and in that area (typical) they're years behind KDE. Finally catching up...

That's not true. All of these were there since long, like Seahorse. They just were not officially part of Gnome, and some things didn't work well (like encrypting mails in Evolution)

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by superstoned on Thu 15th Mar 2007 21:05 in reply to "RE[2]: For a..."
RE[3]: For a...
by superstoned on Thu 15th Mar 2007 21:29 in reply to "RE[2]: For a..."
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2005-07-07

Well, then, they are catching up. I've been encrypting my emails for years...

But you're right, I didn't know this app existed for a long time, so at least it's not that bad.

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RE[2]: For a...
by thebluesgnr on Thu 15th Mar 2007 11:13 in reply to "RE: For a..."
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2005-11-14

Sorry, but why isn't gnome doing more? They had 2 years to get ahead of KDE, but still didn't manage to put out things that where slightly better than what they had.

Let's see what the GNOME guys have been up to...

- dbus and HAL, which made several improvements to the user experience possible. For example...

- ...gnome-volume-manager (from Project Utopia), so USB and Firewire devices "Just Work". Went in on 2.8.

- NetworkManager, so WiFi "Just Works". Going in on 2.20.

- gnome-power-manager. A must have for laptop owners (does KDE have a proper HAL frontend for power mgmt yet, or is that also going to be a 4.0 feature?)

- Gstreamer and Totem. We know Gstreamer 0.10 was a major improvement, but things continue to get better with improvements pushed by projects like Jokosher. Totem 2.18 has a *much* improved browser plugin (openSUSE for instance shipped an early 2.17 release with their latest release). So, when you visit a site that has multimedia content, it "Just Works".

- Orca, a much improved screen reader, was introduced in 2.16.

- GNOME received a fresh look in the 2.x series, with Clearlooks (introduced in 2.12 and constantly tweaked to perfection) and the new icon theme (introduced in 2.16, and now much more complete with this release).

- Cairo. Version 1.4.0 came out just before GNOME 2.18 with major improvements. Of course, GNOME has been using Cairo since 2.12, and KDE will see something similar when KDE 4 is finally released.
Cairo has allowed several improvements on the user experience.

And cairo is by far not the only improvement to the platform. I didn't mention "Project Ridley", a refactor of the platform (without the downside of having to break compatibility again) that has already made GTK+ a much more powerful toolkit.

There's D-Bus, which is a project started and maintained mostly by GNOME devs and KDE will adopt when version 4 is eventually finished.

Nautilus and gnome-vfs have seen several bugfixes lately, and Alexander Larsson is already hacking gvfs, gnome-vfs's replacement (that will be integrated on glib). Emmanuele Bassi is hacking on the next-gen GConf.

And that's not to mention the improvements the GNOME platform receives from projects like Sugar (the OLPC GUI), Maemo (Nokia 770 and 800), OpenMoko (FIC Neo1973) and several others.

To me, it looks like the GNOME guys are working on fixing the problems and bugs people face when they actually use a GNOME based desktop, instead of rewriting code that works just for the fun of it.

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RE[3]: For a...
by leos on Thu 15th Mar 2007 15:20 in reply to "RE[2]: For a..."
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2005-09-21

- dbus and HAL, which made several improvements to the user experience possible. For example...

Yes, HAL is a godsend, and everyone benefits from that. dbus.. Well.. it's ok. It's good because its a standard, but from KDE's perspective, it's not significantly better than the dcop they already had.

- ...gnome-volume-manager (from Project Utopia), so USB and Firewire devices "Just Work". Went in on 2.8.

Yeah I love this feature. KDE has the equivalent, dunno what the name is though.

- NetworkManager, so WiFi "Just Works". Going in on 2.20.

Also, brilliant feature. Thank you to whoever came up with that. KNetworkmanager is a wicked frontend to it for KDE and it was one of the main reasons I can actually use linux on my laptop. Far better network handling than Windows now.

- gnome-power-manager. A must have for laptop owners (does KDE have a proper HAL frontend for power mgmt yet, or is that also going to be a 4.0 feature?)

There is none included in KDE yet, but KPowersave (0.7.2) does exactly that and works great. I'm not sure if it will be included in KDE 4 or what. I sure hope so. Either that or HAL support will be added to klaptopdaemon.

- Gstreamer and Totem. We know Gstreamer 0.10 was a major improvement, but things continue to get better with improvements pushed by projects like Jokosher. Totem 2.18 has a *much* improved browser plugin (openSUSE for instance shipped an early 2.17 release with their latest release). So, when you visit a site that has multimedia content, it "Just Works".

Not really a big fan of gstreamer. They like to break compatibility a lot, and the xine engine seems to cause a whole lot less issues every time I've tried it, and Codeine has taken over all my video player tasks.
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17161

- Orca, a much improved screen reader, was introduced in 2.16.

This is important. KDE 3.x is lacking in the accessibility front. Gnome has been paving the way here with atk, and KDE will hopefully catch up with version 4.

- Cairo. Version 1.4.0 came out just before GNOME 2.18 with major improvements. Of course, GNOME has been using Cairo since 2.12, and KDE will see something similar when KDE 4 is finally released.

Shows promise, but it's still too slow.. 1.4 goes a way towards fixing that though.

To me, it looks like the GNOME guys are working on fixing the problems and bugs people face when they actually use a GNOME based desktop, instead of rewriting code that works just for the fun of it.

I assume that is a jab at KDE. But they're not rewriting code just for the fun of it. They're rewriting code to make writing the next generation of apps easy for developers. That is of _critical_ importance. Nothing is more important than providing a very advanced set of tools for application developers. That is what has allowed people to create amazing applications for KDE in a very short amount of time. With KDE 4, that will extend to Windows and Mac, and more people will have a chance to build on that platform.

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RE[3]: For a...
by dsmogor on Thu 15th Mar 2007 15:51 in reply to "RE[2]: For a..."
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2005-09-01

And that's not to mention the improvements the GNOME platform receives from projects like Sugar (the OLPC GUI), Maemo (Nokia 770 and 800), OpenMoko (FIC Neo1973) and several others.

Do you have something particular in mind. (no offense, just asking).

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RE[2]: For a...
by nutshell42 on Thu 15th Mar 2007 18:26 in reply to "RE: For a..."
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2006-01-12

Sorry, but why isn't gnome doing more? They had 2 years to get ahead of KDE, but still didn't manage to put out things that where slightly better than what they had. Except for the usability area, you can't argue gnome 2.18 is much better than KDE 3.5.x, and KDE 4 is coming in 8 months.

Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen to today's 2254th Linux-DE-Genital-Size-Comparison-Masters.
For 50 comments it looked like today's championship game would have to be called off due to a lack of trolling, but thankfully a last minute intervention by superstoned rectified that problem and now we're good to go...

Honestly, was this really necessary?

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RE[3]: For a...
by superstoned on Thu 15th Mar 2007 21:35 in reply to "RE[2]: For a..."
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

lol... OK, maybe I shouldn't have done that... Sometimes it's hard to resist saying what you think, you know. I really thought the release notes where pretty dull (and I understand they should've mentioned performance improvements everywhere).

I voted you up, btw.

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