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Gnome "Today, the GNOME Project celebrates the release of GNOME 2.18, the latest version of the popular, multi-platform Free desktop environment." The GNOME 2.18 start page has all the details, such as release notes, download locations, and screenshots.
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RE[3]: You know what I miss?
by thebluesgnr on Thu 15th Mar 2007 11:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: You know what I miss?"
thebluesgnr
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2005-11-14

I loved the Lisa screenshots some time ago, they showed how the desktop indeed hasn't changed since 1985... And I really miss the ambition at Gnome.

What's the point of completely changing the desktop when you can't even use WiFi without hassle?

And by the way, desktop experimentation is not something you'll see on an official GNOME release, but rather on related projects like Gimmie, Avant, Sugar, etc.

A big difference between GNOME and KDE is that these experiments are done in parallel in GNOME. For example, the KDE panel is pretty much dead, with "Plasma" set to replace it. But people still have no idea what Plasma will look like and whether it will work (and they won't know until they test it on real people).

On the other hand, the GNOME project will only decide to replace its panel (which has problems, but works) with something else after a new candidate has seen testing. That's how metacity replaced sawfish in GNOME 2.2, for example. And there are people working on ambitious new ideas, as I mentioned above (the GNOME-based "Sugar" UI is definitely the most ambitious one today).

KDE 4 is very broken today (is pre-alpha the official definition?). GNOME will most likely never be in that state again.

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RE[4]: You know what I miss?
by leos on Thu 15th Mar 2007 15:23 in reply to "RE[3]: You know what I miss?"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

KDE 4 is very broken today (is pre-alpha the official definition?). GNOME will most likely never be in that state again.

So you're saying the system architecture of Gnome 2.x is the ultimate possible, and will never need to change? Sorry, but if you want to make something better in a fundamental way, you have to break it first. Either that or create a lot of compatibility layers to keep the old API, and only Microsoft has the resources to do that.

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RE[5]: You know what I miss?
by thebluesgnr on Thu 15th Mar 2007 18:03 in reply to "RE[4]: You know what I miss?"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

So you're saying the system architecture of Gnome 2.x is the ultimate possible, and will never need to change? Sorry, but if you want to make something better in a fundamental way, you have to break it first. Either that or create a lot of compatibility layers to keep the old API, and only Microsoft has the resources to do that.

That's not exactly what I'm saying. GNOME will replace components of the platform, but without breaking the entire stack while they're at it. In fact, it's been doing that for a long while now (see Project Ridley, D-Bus, gvfs).

The D-Bus adoption is a perfect example. GNOME adopted D-Bus without breaking anything.

gnome-vfs is not perfect and will be replaced by gvfs, which is being developed. But GNOME will not depend on gvfs until it's ready; that's the main difference in strategy between the current development model of KDE and GNOME. KDE decided to fix its entire platform in one go, while GNOME is incrementally replacing components as the next generation ones are completed and ready to go.

Of course, supporting gnome-vfs and gvfs, ORBit/Bonobo and D-Bus, etc, is not a lifetime solution, which is why the old libraries will eventually become unsupported and the platform released as version 3.0.

Btw, GTK+ adopted Cairo without having to break its API, but that's because GTK+ was well designed to begin with.

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