Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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Nice one
by moleskine on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:57 UTC
moleskine
Member since:
2005-11-05

All this functionality and user-friendliness comes with relatively modest hardware requirements. And if you major on Xfce or, say, Fluxbox rather than Gnome, I'd imagine a P3 and 256 megs would be more than enough - they certainly are for earlier incarnations of Ubuntu on my ancient laptop. In an era of energy conservation, Vista's requirements are about as smart as boasting how few miles to the gallon your SUV manages.

That said, I've had no luck trying to install the Kubuntu test release of Feisty Fawn. It mashes up the MBR and doesn't install grub at all. Ways to go there, I think. So I am keenly waiting on the final version of Kubuntu for 7.04.

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RE: Nice one
by butters on Sat 17th Mar 2007 03:31 in reply to "Nice one"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

I'm not sure if you mean nice distro or nice preview, but both are true. Excellent preview, Eugenia.

That said, I've had no luck trying to install the Kubuntu test release of Feisty Fawn. It mashes up the MBR and doesn't install grub at all.

This is what gets me about Ubuntu/Kubuntu. I'm also looking to move on from my "hobbyist" phase after using predominantly Gentoo for over 5 years now. I like what I see in the Ubuntu project and its community, philosophy, and ambitions. I think they have a winning formula that's going to carry them past the honeymoon stage and withstand the test of time and growth. As Eugenia and others note, the distribution is really impressive overall, but it's just not achieving the level of quality that I would like to see. Yes, this is a beta release, but the Ubuntu project and the free software desktop in general is too mature to allow installer bugs like undetected display modes on mass market laptops and botched bootloader installations in a public beta.

Don't get me wrong--there is a LOT to like about how Feisty is shaping up. But there's also some unacceptably rough edges. The quality has to rise to meet growing expectations. Linux desktops have always been a matter of tweak a little here, clue-bat a little there, and it's great. The definition of "great" is completely different idea today than it has been in the past, as a well-setup Linux desktop compares favorably with the industry leaders in terms of features and usability. But the nudging, poking, and prodding has got to stop. Slow down just a touch, and let's try to avoid all those sticky forum threads with simple workarounds for ridiculously common issues.

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RE[2]: Nice one
by proftv on Sat 17th Mar 2007 12:06 in reply to "RE: Nice one"
proftv Member since:
2006-01-01

What you are saying would be perfectly understandable if we where talking about the final release, but Feisty is still in alpha, not beta. You may want to wait and try the final release before you give your opinion of the distro as a whole.

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RE[2]: Nice one
by sbergman27 on Sat 17th Mar 2007 15:08 in reply to "RE: Nice one"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Don't get me wrong--there is a LOT to like about how Feisty is shaping up. But there's also some unacceptably rough edges. The quality has to rise to meet growing expectations. Linux desktops have always been a matter of tweak a little here, clue-bat a little there, and it's great.
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While I agree, I'm afraid that progress on some of the problems may be reaching a point of diminishing returns.

For example, shortly we're not even supposed to *need* and xorg.conf file on our systems. Rah! Rah! Rah! But I've had too many monitors that lied about their capabilities to think that I'm not going to have to keep tweaking the frequencies in a config file.

Hardware vendors sometimes don't seem to care that much about what their hardware reports... as long as they get it right in the .inf file they send to Microsoft, Dell, and HP.

Until they start caring more about getting things right with Linux Kernel and Xorg, before they release the hardware in question, we'll continue to be at a disadvantage. Particularly on new hardware like Eugenia's shiny new treasure.

In this way, preinstalls by companies like Dell would actually benefit all of us, if the fixes percolated back upstream before the hardware hit the market.

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RE: Nice one
by lemur2 on Sat 17th Mar 2007 05:32 in reply to "Nice one"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

//That said, I've had no luck trying to install the Kubuntu test release of Feisty Fawn. It mashes up the MBR and doesn't install grub at all. Ways to go there, I think. So I am keenly waiting on the final version of Kubuntu for 7.04.//

I too have had endless problems installing Kubuntu from the liveCD. For me, the disk partioner qtparted kept crashing. This has been the case even since edgy. I filed a bug report (because this was a showstopper bug for getting Kubuntu installed), but it was ignored. I filed it again for a beta of Kubuntu feisty, and as far as I know it is still being ignored.

Having said that, I am running the beat of Kubuntu Feisty right now. What I did was get the beta of Xubuntu (the one with the lightweight Xfce desktop), install that (since it uses gparted not qtparted), then once it was installed I used synaptic to install the kubuntu-desktop package. That worked for me.

Apart from the qtparted crash when installing from the Kubuntu liveCD, I have to say that otherwise Kubuntu feisty is looking pretty good.

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RE[2]: Nice one
by fignew on Sat 17th Mar 2007 08:34 in reply to "RE: Nice one"
fignew Member since:
2006-09-06

Agreed, the new installer is complete rubbish.
I recommend the "Alternative" installer instead... Just look for the .iso with "alternative" in it. ;)

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RE[2]: Nice one
by superstoned on Sat 17th Mar 2007 12:44 in reply to "RE: Nice one"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

afaik, qtparted is being replaced by the same system ubuntu uses (but with a qt gui) so your problems should be solved. Try the latest flight, and ping riddell on #kubuntu-devel (irc) if you still have problems. I'm sure he will help you. He's way too nice to ignore people, unless they are reall reall dicks (and then still, he's pretty polite, where others would look for their gun).

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