Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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Ubuntu is missing too much stuff...
by rklrkl on Sat 17th Mar 2007 01:24 UTC
rklrkl
Member since:
2005-07-06

Until Fedora 7 final comes out, I decided to install Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Herd 5 on my brand new Core 2 Duo Acer laptop and ran into an immediate problem with the screen resolution. It was stuck in 1024x768 until I downloaded the "915resolution" util and configured that to get it into 1280x800.

What I found out with Ubuntu is that it's "missing" stuff in its default desktop install that I'm used to having on the Fedora install DVD. No NFS client support (need to install portmap and nfs-common) which is appalling for a desktop release, no XMMS player, no Azureus, no decent terminal fonts (where's Ludica Typewriter - easily the best monospaced font out there!), non-working "Desktop Effects" (blank windows and no focus made the effects unusable), no sshd, no easy way to run 32-bit Firefox (I just install the 32-bit Firefox RPM on Fedora) on a 64-bit system, very buggy GNOME Terminal (I updated it, which improved things a little, but still buggy) and I've no doubt just stratched the surface there.

So hours and hours of tweaking and downloads later and I've muscled Ubuntu into a half-usable system, but I wasn't massively happy after that and I'll be going back to Fedora in a few months. I must say, though, that the live Ubuntu CD is great for just playing with the laptop when I first got it last week and doing backups and re-partitioning.

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

rklrkl, Ubuntu only comes in a single CD. Fedora is several CDs. Therefore, on Ubuntu you will find ONLY the packages that most of the *home desktop* users will need (I never needed an NFS client for example, while there is an SMB shared-folder panel available by default). For the rest of the packages, there is the easy to use add/remove application which has Azureus and XMMS etc.

I feel that the *only* applications that are missing from Ubuntu for a *desktop* system is the Bluetooth Obex server for Gnome, Brasero and maybe Liferea. Everything else that is needed, is already there (including a simple Gnome Bittorrent client compared to the loaded Azuereus that could put off a lot of home users just by the looks of it).

Edited 2007-03-17 01:32

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fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

Therefore, on Ubuntu you will find ONLY the packages that most of the *home desktop* users will need (I never needed an NFS client for example, while there is an SMB shared-folder panel available by default).

I have to agree with the OP. SMB is all fine and good for Windows users, but you're in Linux-land now. Lack of ability to share files over NFS in a default install is quite ridiculous.

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melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

And that is Ubuntu's major problem imho. I dislike Gnome, much preferring KDE, yet *out of the box*, Ubuntu does NOT give me choice. Some say that that's to keep it simple, I honestly think it's bad for Linux. Everyone keeps saying 'but Linux gives you choice!!!' - strange that Ubuntu doesn't. How hard would it for Ubuntu to release a DVD instead of a CD and include the most popular desktop environment in Linux land?

Don't give me the Kubuntu bullshyte, cos that's just baloney. It gets far less attention, and has far less developers, resulting in a shoddy system. What we are seeing here is blatant favouritism for Gnome, rather than letting the end user choose what they want/prefer.

Until Ubuntu decides to support KDE properly, I won't use it, nor will I recommend it.

In fact, these days I don't use GNU/Linux at all, since several things I use aren't supported:

1. Photoshop CS2 (WINE/Cedega/CrossOver Office do not support it, not even with nasty hacks)
2. Neat Image (full of bugs under WINE, haven't tried Cedega/CrossOver office)
3. Capture One Pro (WINE says v3.6, although it has bugs, not sure on v3.7)
4. Canon EOS 1D DSLR - gphoto2 doesn't support this *major* pro camera whatsoever. Disappointing. Asking me to get off my a$$ and code drivers for this baby is what I consider elitist and a very unreasonable demand on the end user. It's one thing that gives GNU/Linux zealots a very bad name in the real world.

I have a Windows based PC, which is what I primarily use these days because Photoshop and Neat Image are Windows versions (I didn't have a Mac at the time of buying both software pieces). I love the Mac (older PowerMac G4 1ghz running 10.3.8), but until I have Mac versions of my software I won't switch totally.

Dave

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rklrkl Member since:
2005-07-06

Sorry, but the lack of NFS client support means that if you have two machines with Linux on and one is to share the files to the other, then by default, you *can't* on Ubuntu. It took a bit of Googling to realise that portmap and nfs-common were needed - the average user of Ubuntu would have no clue about this and think it was impossible to set up an Ubuntu box to use NFS (as either a client or server). Saying that SMB shares are available is a complete cop-out - this implies that the only way an Ubuntu user can share files on their local network is to have a Windows box as a fileserver!

Problem with saying that you can use Synaptic to install stuff is that I was sick and tired of running it over 20 times to fill in the gaps shockingly left wide open by Ubuntu. No secure shell daemon installed - oh, you can't log inbetween Linux machines on your network then. No Azureus meant downloading Sun's Java (from java.sun.com - the Ubuntu version didn't work for me) and the Azureus package - the Speed Scheduler plugin is essential for me (and *many* users) because I'm quotaed during peak times and I must have automatic throttling at certain times of the day.

Got to say that claiming some obscure Bluetooth server was missing isn't that essential - not being able to run the Flash plug-in, Adobe Acrobat Reader plug-in or Java plug-in in Firefox on a 64-bit Ubuntu system easily is way more important a problem. Ubuntu should make it easy to install 32-bit versions of apps that rely on 32-bit libraries onto 64-bit systems (and before you say that 64-bit is "scarce" - it isn't, a *lot* of new systems are 64-bit capable) - at the moment, it's too hard to do so on Ubuntu, which is a big negative in my books. I'd like to see Synaptic include a 32-bit/64-bit option (i.e. add an architecture column and let you choose which bitness you want for a particular app [for apps, you can probably only have one or the other, but for libs, you should be able to install both, assuming the install paths don't clash].

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