Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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RE: Nice one
by butters on Sat 17th Mar 2007 03:31 UTC in reply to "Nice one"
butters
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2005-07-08

I'm not sure if you mean nice distro or nice preview, but both are true. Excellent preview, Eugenia.

That said, I've had no luck trying to install the Kubuntu test release of Feisty Fawn. It mashes up the MBR and doesn't install grub at all.

This is what gets me about Ubuntu/Kubuntu. I'm also looking to move on from my "hobbyist" phase after using predominantly Gentoo for over 5 years now. I like what I see in the Ubuntu project and its community, philosophy, and ambitions. I think they have a winning formula that's going to carry them past the honeymoon stage and withstand the test of time and growth. As Eugenia and others note, the distribution is really impressive overall, but it's just not achieving the level of quality that I would like to see. Yes, this is a beta release, but the Ubuntu project and the free software desktop in general is too mature to allow installer bugs like undetected display modes on mass market laptops and botched bootloader installations in a public beta.

Don't get me wrong--there is a LOT to like about how Feisty is shaping up. But there's also some unacceptably rough edges. The quality has to rise to meet growing expectations. Linux desktops have always been a matter of tweak a little here, clue-bat a little there, and it's great. The definition of "great" is completely different idea today than it has been in the past, as a well-setup Linux desktop compares favorably with the industry leaders in terms of features and usability. But the nudging, poking, and prodding has got to stop. Slow down just a touch, and let's try to avoid all those sticky forum threads with simple workarounds for ridiculously common issues.

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RE[2]: Nice one
by proftv on Sat 17th Mar 2007 12:06 in reply to "RE: Nice one"
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2006-01-01

What you are saying would be perfectly understandable if we where talking about the final release, but Feisty is still in alpha, not beta. You may want to wait and try the final release before you give your opinion of the distro as a whole.

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RE[2]: Nice one
by sbergman27 on Sat 17th Mar 2007 15:08 in reply to "RE: Nice one"
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2005-07-24

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Don't get me wrong--there is a LOT to like about how Feisty is shaping up. But there's also some unacceptably rough edges. The quality has to rise to meet growing expectations. Linux desktops have always been a matter of tweak a little here, clue-bat a little there, and it's great.
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While I agree, I'm afraid that progress on some of the problems may be reaching a point of diminishing returns.

For example, shortly we're not even supposed to *need* and xorg.conf file on our systems. Rah! Rah! Rah! But I've had too many monitors that lied about their capabilities to think that I'm not going to have to keep tweaking the frequencies in a config file.

Hardware vendors sometimes don't seem to care that much about what their hardware reports... as long as they get it right in the .inf file they send to Microsoft, Dell, and HP.

Until they start caring more about getting things right with Linux Kernel and Xorg, before they release the hardware in question, we'll continue to be at a disadvantage. Particularly on new hardware like Eugenia's shiny new treasure.

In this way, preinstalls by companies like Dell would actually benefit all of us, if the fixes percolated back upstream before the hardware hit the market.

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