Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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RE[3]: re: lemur2
by lemur2 on Sat 17th Mar 2007 12:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: re: lemur2"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

{Linux(Ubuntu):

a. Make a new partition (WILL BE needed*) before or during installation. Now make a second* partition. Now make sure the second partition is a different format than the first. Now make sure the second partition is twice the size of your system RAM (The GUI will NOT tell you this. You will have to spend a while in Google to figure this out. Also, the Mint installer will try to make a THIRD partition. The only information you are given as to why this is happening are words such as "/dev/", "/dev/home/root", and "'swap'".}


I'm not really a fan of Ubuntu, and I agree that installing (and re-installing) GRUB using Ubuntu is not intuitive.

Having said that, let me point out that the Ubuntu liveCD "install Ubuntu to hard disk" doesn't even ask any questions ... it just gets it right and if the system already has Windows it will automatically install GRUB with a correct dual-boot menus for Ubuntu and Windows.

The GUI provisions for installing and re-installing GRUB in PCLinuxOS, Mandriva and SuSe are all better than is the case for Ubuntu, however.

If you are a newbie to Linux, go with PCLinuxOS would be my recommendation. That is the easiest one by quite a margin.

If you want an Ubuntu-derivative, then perhaps go with MEPIS or even (when it comes out) Freespire 2.0. These will both give you access to CNR.

IMO, Ubuntu still has some rough edges that aren't very friendly for newbies.

{My only point is that Linux-Desktop is not "easy" yet. It will be, and it will be soon. It is not "easy" now.}

It IS easy right now if you choose the best easy-to-use-even-for-newbies distribution, which is PCLinuxOS.

http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/HomePage

That one is the easiest and best desktop Linux for Linux beginners.

Edited 2007-03-17 12:26

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RE[4]: re: lemur2
by AmigaRobbo on Sat 17th Mar 2007 12:28 in reply to "RE[3]: re: lemur2"
AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

I found herd 4 created a dual booting machine that worked fine, herd 5 broke the windows 2000 install, running MS's fdisk /mbr fixed it, so I assume it's the way they've moved the loader to the mbr not the first Linux partition, I'm going to spend some time trying to install GRUB to (hd0,2), as I've got 2 windows partitions.

Well I say spend, that's spend more on time in addition to the what, 2 hours I spent the night before yesterday? And the 3 hours trying to fix the Windows partitions boot into BSD, when it was of course the changed from herd 4 to 5...

And before anyways says anything, I know the whole of Grub dosn't fit into the MBR, you know what I mean.

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RE[4]: re: lemur2
by ride01 on Sat 17th Mar 2007 13:51 in reply to "RE[3]: re: lemur2"
ride01 Member since:
2005-09-23

It IS easy right now if you choose the best easy-to-use-even-for-newbies distribution, which is PCLinuxOS.

Thanks lemur2, I appreciate that. I will research this.

I am spoiled by BeOS and MacOS 8. I loved the fact that my MacOS installation CD was a live-cd. In contrast, the Windows installation CD boots to a weird command-line-like interface that is NOT intuitive.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, MacOS had a simple drop-down menu that allowed you to choose boot drives. You could just plug in a hard drive with a MacOS install on it, select that hard drive from the drop-down menu, and it would boot.

BeOS has similar abilities.

I think I hold "Linux" to a higher standard than Windows. I like Windows XP. It works well, it is fairly fast, supports my hardware, and it is not all-together horrible looking. (Theming/icons/etc work fairly well)

I want Linux to be BETTER than Windows. I don't want it to be "just as good". I already have "just as good as Windows" in Windows. ;)

Linux's strength is Open-source. Open-source that allows change and advancement. Linux is advancing, and in wonderful ways.

I just want conditional GUI's for everything. Everything intuitive. Everything easy. Everything snappy. Everything fast.

Actually, I just want to be able to easily install it on a non-0/0 hard drive/partition ;)

Edited 2007-03-17 14:06

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RE[5]: re: lemur2
by stestagg on Sun 18th Mar 2007 11:58 in reply to "RE[4]: re: lemur2"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

I read somewhere that this is being worked on. Currently, in ubuntu, you are given the option of using gparted (a graphical partition manager) on installation (although this has a tenancy to break, see below), OR you can just leave it up to the installer to get it right.

People are now working on rolling their own ubuntu-installer based partition manager that will nicely integrate into the installer and not break. Hopefully this new GUI partitioner will be as friendly as you want.

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