Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Mar 2007 19:33 UTC, submitted by M-Saunders
Debian and its clones Debian Etch moves ever closer, and Ian Murdock - the project's founder - has been interviewed about Debian's politics, its lack of strong leadership, and Ubuntu's ever-growing fame. He feels that Debian is too enveloped in process and politics, making it impossible for anybody to make big decisions, thereby hindering the pace of development. In addition, on his weblog Murdock has announced he is joining Sun.
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RE[3]: dpkg
by iiifrank on Tue 20th Mar 2007 00:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: dpkg"
iiifrank
Member since:
2006-05-18

Why would you need dpkg when you already have pkg-get from Blastwave?

Since you ask, I'm guessing you have not used either apt or pkg-get for very long. Don't get me wrong...I love and use blastwave.org every day. It's made life as a Solaris administrator much better. But the difference in usability and functionality between Debian's package management and the combination of Sun's decrepit pkgadd + blastwave.org's pkg-get is like night and day.

Even if pkgadd was updated to dpkg/rpm levels of functionality and pkg-get was a feature-complete clone of apt-get, you would still have the issue that blastwave.org does not fully integrate with Solaris fully since it installs its own versions of common libraries (gtk, gnome, ssl, etc.). It does this for a couple reasons. One reason is to maintain compatibility across the versions of Solaris that blastwave.org supports. Obviously, since Debian is a full OS it does not have that problem; it updates its software based on distribution release. The second reason is that Sun's own shipped versions of standard libraries and supporting utilities are so painfully old. Blastwave.org cannot possibly hope to work with these old libraries and maintain newer versions of software.

Give both a real shot and you'll see why, despite blastwave.org's valuable contribution to Solaris, lots of people are very excited about today's news and hopeful that it means an improvement in Sun's package management and support of common open source software.

Edited 2007-03-20 00:07

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RE[4]: dpkg
by stephanem on Tue 20th Mar 2007 01:31 in reply to "RE[3]: dpkg"
stephanem Member since:
2006-01-11

between two evils I'd rather take RPM since many more packages are under RPM than dpkg.

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RE[5]: dpkg
by binarycrusader on Tue 20th Mar 2007 04:02 in reply to "RE[4]: dpkg"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

between two evils I'd rather take RPM since many more packages are under RPM than dpkg.

Which doesn't do much good, since they're all pretty much Linux-centric.

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RE[4]: dpkg
by binarycrusader on Tue 20th Mar 2007 04:03 in reply to "RE[3]: dpkg"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

...and support of common open source software.

SUN supports a lot of "common" open source software just fine. However, a lot of open source software doesn't support Solaris. That isn't Sun's fault, but developers who have adopted Linuxisms instead of sticking to POSIX, UNIX, etc. standards.

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RE[5]: dpkg
by kaiwai on Tue 20th Mar 2007 08:24 in reply to "RE[4]: dpkg"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

SUN supports a lot of "common" open source software just fine. However, a lot of open source software doesn't support Solaris. That isn't Sun's fault, but developers who have adopted Linuxisms instead of sticking to POSIX, UNIX, etc. standards.

You've got that right - although there are some really good bits of software, there is a lot of crap out there written by programmers who think the world revolves around Linux. It pisses *BSD ports maintainers off, Solaris package maintainers, it pretty much pisses everyone off - even Linux users who find that some of the Linuxisms used are not working as expected on all boxes.

Please for the love god, I don't want to see Solaris compromised with crap being sprawled through from GNU/Linux land through what is right now, a pristine environment of beautiful code.

As for the original article; it talks about usability - nothing to do with GNU or anything, usability; that'll probably include system management tools, GUI improvements, and the likes; if Solaris were deficient because of technical issues with the OS, then they would be in dire straights, but Solaris is the most technologically advanced operating system out there; the problems that exist with it are trivial that can be fixed with a little man power and community drive.

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RE[5]: dpkg
by iiifrank on Tue 20th Mar 2007 13:52 in reply to "RE[4]: dpkg"
iiifrank Member since:
2006-05-18

SUN supports a lot of "common" open source software just fine.

When I say support, I don't simply mean providing an OS that will compile said software. I mean to actually provide an integrated sun.com software repository and a quality set of package management tools to keep the software up to date. For an example, see Red Hat's supported package listing.

When I think of the types of projects I've been on these past couple years, they have all required a number of open source packages. In each case (whether or not we used Solaris or Linux), a Red Hat solution would have been both easier and quicker to deploy due to its package repository (or channel, if you will). In terms of future maintenance, the Red Hat servers will take less time since security updates will be provided through the same channel as the base OS updates...unlike Solaris where I will have to track each package's security list and recompile and reinstall each myself.

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