Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 17:52 UTC, submitted by alexorizor
Zeta Bernd Korz has announced that the Zeta development team and Magnussoft are parting ways [German]. The team and Bernd will continue to develop Zeta, and the service pack (Zeta v1.51) will still be released in the coming weeks.
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RE[2]: Haha
by ormandj on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 18:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Haha"
ormandj
Member since:
2005-10-09

You can mod me as negative as you like, I posted *knowing* the zeta-ites would attack. That said, I fully support and LOVE the Haiku project. I used BeOS for a number of years, as well. I used to go to BUG meetings in Austin. I'm probably one of the more vocal Haiku supporters around.

I do NOT love the Zeta crew, and Bernd, because of their questionable legality, shady business practices, and so forth. Every time I turn around they are starting/joining a new company, and continuing to use questionable practices to advertise/sell Zeta. I've seen it marketed as a complete desktop replacement for windows users. It's not, not even close. In fact, I believe they were shoveling copies out the door by television advertisements aimed at "normal" people. Who in their right mind, with ANY sort of conscious, could do that?

No personal attacks in this post, so I don't expect to be modded down (disagreement with opinions isn't justification for negative moderation.) It's something that needed to be said, however, and I know a lot of people agree with me. The first post I made was just a much more "barbaric" way of saying the same thing.

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RE[3]: Haha
by SReilly on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 19:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Haha"
SReilly Member since:
2006-12-28

I feel exactly the same. I haven't even downloaded a pirated copy of Zeta to test out in case I am actually tempted to buy it.

To begin with, I gave them (the Zeta team) every benefit of the doubt and even looked into supporting them, albeit non financial support(I was broke at the time), but just by watching they're greedy tactics, I soon changed my mind.

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RE[4]: Haha
by Anonymous Penguin on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 21:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Haha"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"I haven't even downloaded a pirated copy of Zeta to test out in case I am actually tempted to buy it."

Exactly. When people aren't even interested in creating or downloading a torrent of something, that is a really bad, bad sign. It means that people do not even want it for free.

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RE[3]: Haha
by El-Al on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 20:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Haha"
El-Al Member since:
2006-04-17

the 'barbaric' statement you made just happens to denigrate the work and reputation of many highly respected BeOS developers who work/have worked on Zeta and are also active on the Haiku project.

You should maybe be more careful about your choice of words before you go disparaging the project you also claim to 'LOVE'

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RE[4]: Haha
by ormandj on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 21:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Haha"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

Those developers ought to reconsider what project they work on. Yes, I'm sure there are some talented people there, but their morality should "kick in" and they should quit working for a person/company that has such questionable ethics. My comment did not address people who are not currently involved with Zeta, so "past" developers are not being insulting/slammed in any way.

Here's a (VERY) exaggerated example of the same kind of thing. There were LOTS of smart/good Nazis. Most of them were ignorant of what was really going on. However, they all had a duty (once they realized the evilness) to stop doing what they were doing. Unfortunately, they did not, hence we had a war - in which many (innocent) died and a country was reduced to shambles, all needlessly.

Developers working under Bernd can claim "ignorance" to a point, but if they don't know by now how terribly things have been run and the kind of ethically questionable ways Zeta has been pushed, not to mention the questionable legality of the whole operation - then they must be living under a rock. They *should* know better, and they *should* stop dealing with such a terribly run organization/person.

As I said, I'm sure there are bright folks doing development for Zeta. They ought to find a good company to work for (doing whatever), get better paying/far more stable jobs, and work with Haiku (as it's quite OBVIOUSLY the future direction of BeOS - not Zeta.) Obviously I am not in a position to tell them what to do - but I am in a position to judge them based on MY moral values/ethical standards, based on what they choose to do. Continuing to work for Bernd/participate in his scams/etc puts them in the "poopoo" bin as far as I'm concerned.

You are, of course, free to believe as you like. Just as I am.

Edited 2007-03-23 21:39

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RE[3]: Haha
by Yomama on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 21:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Haha"
Yomama Member since:
2005-07-21

I have to agree with you to a certain extent. I don't think Mr. Korz is slime but it shows more and more he might not be the right person to lead this particular company to success.

We know Mr' Korz story but everybody knows there are always two sides to it. Since he run Yellowtab in the ground, had problems with developers in the past regarding compensation and anounced today he is parting ways with Magnussoft, I'm starting to believe he is a selfish individual and the company or OS won't really go anywhere. Might be true, might not. Time will tell.

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RE[3]: Haha
by merkoth on Fri 23rd Mar 2007 21:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Haha"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

I didnīt mod you down because you were already at -5, but I must apologize, I completely misread your comment. No offense intended and I donīt usually mod down just because I disagree with another person ;)

I think you should choose your words a bit more carefully. And Iīm not a Zeta zealot!

Edited 2007-03-23 21:47 UTC

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RE[3]: Haha
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 24th Mar 2007 04:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Haha"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

You can mod me as negative as you like, I posted *knowing* the zeta-ites would attack.


That's the first time I've encountered that particular term. Perhaps it's naivety, but I've always liked to believe that most members of the BeOS community are above devolving into "Haiku-ite vs ZETA-ite" balkanization.

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RE[4]: Haha
by Vibe on Sat 24th Mar 2007 04:42 in reply to "RE[3]: Haha"
Vibe Member since:
2007-03-12

That's the first time I've encountered that particular term. Perhaps it's naivety, but I've always liked to believe that most members of the BeOS community are above devolving into "Haiku-ite vs ZETA-ite" balkanization.

It's lacks credibility as much as emoting is a replacement for hard evidence. I'm not interested in what people claim or feel, I just want to see the questions of Zeta's legitimacy and Bernd's fitness to manage it answered. Crime and poor corporate governance are not things to slide by if you want to get a sound return on investment and see the product last. Until I see proof that Zeta is legitimate and it's soundly managed, it just looks like a scheme to part gullible investors and daydreamers from their money.

People won't be told. Find out the hard way...

Edited 2007-03-24 04:43

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