Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Mar 2007 17:44 UTC, submitted by suka
Mono Project In a recent interview with the online edition of the Austrian daily Newspaper Der Standard, Mono project-lead Miguel de Icaza pleads for a cooperation between Mono and Microsoft's .Net: "I think that the deal should include a technical Mono/.NET collaboration, and even go as far as Microsoft recommending Mono for all of their developers looking at migration."
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Maybe more supprises to come?
by SReilly on Sun 25th Mar 2007 18:41 UTC
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2006-12-28

Man, if Miguel is telling the truth there may be more to the deal then at first realized. Check this out -

Also, another thing that rubbed people the wrong way was the promise to the community. And part of the problem with the current promise is that it was an important consideration as part of the deal but they did not get the right wording in place on time. Folks on both companies are trying to improve this to actually mean something meaningful.


It's also funny how people justify they're actions to themselves. Read the following for a prime example -
...the more conservative ones, those that are more risk averse had been waiting on the sidelines. The agreement has basically enabled people that would have otherwise not touched Linux despite its great technological features to adopt it.


As for wanting MS to tell developers to use Mono for cross platform development, the guy must be hallucinating. MS does not want cross platform developers, they want to tie you to they're platform. End of story.

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RE: Maybe more supprises to come?
by miscz on Sun 25th Mar 2007 18:44 in reply to "Maybe more supprises to come?"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

even go as far as Microsoft recommending Mono for all of their developers looking at migration

really, this guy is on crack ;)

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nelvana2005 Member since:
2005-07-29

Miguel can publish what he wants, I'll never use mono. I don't need it and I don't want it, this little child of the Novell-Microsoft cooperation.
Even in OpenSuse 10.2 it is still possible to live without mono. Although it is part of the default install, it can be uninstalled without causing any problems. As long as this is the case, I have no problem to use or test an OpenSuse distro.

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anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

MS does not want cross platform developers, they want to tie you to they're platform

Very true.

However, one thing we have learned from the Microsoft/Novell deal is that Microsoft knowns that some of their customers are at least considering Linux for certain areas.

So in order to avoid having them consider other development frameworks like Java, which are totally not under their control, they might "recommend" a framework they are indirekt control over, e.g. they control the direction of .Net, thus controlling what mono will have to do as well.

An application runable under mono will of course not be as tied to Microsoft as a native application would be, but on the other hand they can more easily convince customers to switch back if the application's performance on Windows can be boosted above the performance on Linux+Mono due to optimiziations in their runtime.

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SReilly Member since:
2006-12-28

So in order to avoid having them consider other development frameworks like Java, which are totally not under their control, they might "recommend" a framework they are indirekt control over, e.g. they control the direction of .Net, thus controlling what mono will have to do as well.


Nicely said and I certainly didn't see it that way. But what if a day comes where Mono is more feature rich, better supported and commands a larger number of developers than .Net (however unlikely)? Do you really see MS lay down and give up? Or, much more likely IMO, start a patent and/or IP infringement lawsuit?

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

As for wanting MS to tell developers to use Mono for cross platform development, the guy must be hallucinating. MS does not want cross platform developers, they want to tie you to they're platform. End of story.

That is definitely 100% true - just wait till Microsoft starts prancing through the Mono developer community demanding royalties and payments for those not running their software on the Novell Linux platform.

The licence agreement between Novell and Microsoft, is just that, a licence agreement between them, and only them, it does not cover the whole Linux or opensource community - which is what Miguel is some how trying to lay claim to.

Mono is still the same licence and patent riddled mess it was last year and the year before, the only difference is that only Novell customers are going to be spared the wrath of Microsoft - for all those who aren't Novell customers, I would think long and hard about whether the risk of getting sued into an early grave is worth the risk in the long run for so-called perfect portability which doesn't exist.

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