Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Mar 2007 17:44 UTC, submitted by suka
Mono Project In a recent interview with the online edition of the Austrian daily Newspaper Der Standard, Mono project-lead Miguel de Icaza pleads for a cooperation between Mono and Microsoft's .Net: "I think that the deal should include a technical Mono/.NET collaboration, and even go as far as Microsoft recommending Mono for all of their developers looking at migration."
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Go Miguel! Rant warning.
by JohnAsh on Sun 25th Mar 2007 20:08 UTC
JohnAsh
Member since:
2006-11-04

Miguel is like Linus - TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN! I love them for that.
Mono rocks, there is no question about it. Java on linux - well, since it is GPL now, there is still hope, but there is a huge hill to climb for java to be any good for the linux desktop. This far, it has only been a detriment, a big time-sink. (kaffe, gcj, ugly homemade mismatched gtk-themes for java) (Note that I am not mentioning java server apps. Java rocks on linux for that.)

But Mono+C#+Gtk# is a mix of GPL, LGPL, MIT Licence, Ecma standardization..it can't get any better than that. Meanwhile everyone just poured their love over Java, a severely locked in language before the GPL. Because Sun is somehow "good" for "us". ("Us" being the collective unix/linux-geekdom.)

The politics and business deals around OSS platforms are important, and Microsoft is a company that is much more selfish than many other. (They all are, Sun, Google, MS, Redhat.. MS is just so much better at it, making them scary and untrustworthy).

But any patent that MS can threaten Mono with, they could just as well threaten ANY other runtime with, it being parrot, kaffe, the jvm.

And in any case, if you still think Mono+C# is a bad bet, why ALL THE F*CKI'N hate? Grow up people! The long and short of it is that Miguel rocks, and there is a big chance that you don't.

(For the record, I rock too.)

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RE: Go Miguel! Rant warning.
by JohnAsh on Sun 25th Mar 2007 20:45 in reply to "Go Miguel! Rant warning."
JohnAsh Member since:
2006-11-04

That rant was a notch too trollish, so let me clarify some bits. It looks like I poured crap on some really great tech there. I didn't mean it like that.

1) Gcj - Yup, really cool. But not really taking the OSS un*x desktop anywhere. IMHO. But it rocks.

2) Gtk themes for java - Any work in this direction is great! Sorely needed, hugely wanted. Still not good enough. But it rocks. Or will rock.

3) I wrote that Kaffe represented a time-sink. Wrong. Edit it out. Kaffe is beyond awesome. Maybe just not a great hope for a desktop-level OSS runtime.

4) Java in general - No other language/runtime in the history of man have such great development environments as Java has today, free or for money. Not smalltalk, eiffel, .Net, C++. Do I have to mention it rocks? Rocks hard even? But not in the area of desktop apps. Nope.

(note - I don't believe in the edit function)

Edited 2007-03-25 20:48

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RE[2]: Go Miguel! Rant warning.
by Stock on Mon 26th Mar 2007 11:39 in reply to "RE: Go Miguel! Rant warning."
Stock Member since:
2005-08-31

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(note - I don't believe in the edit function)

Edited 2007-03-25 20:48

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Great sense of humour.

I'm just wondering, how many other things "Rock"? or "Rock hard" even? You sound like an expert in the area so maybe you could enlighten us. ;-)

Oh and for the most part I agree the projects you mentioned are all worthwhile.

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RE: Go Miguel! Rant warning.
by jbauer on Sun 25th Mar 2007 21:00 in reply to "Go Miguel! Rant warning."
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

Miguel is like Linus - TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN!

And here I was thinking de Icaza set out to start Gnome because of the evil Qt license, that is to say, because of politics. It's funny how things are evolved...

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thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

And here I was thinking de Icaza set out to start Gnome because of the evil Qt license, that is to say, because of politics. It's funny how things are evolved...

Not "evil", just not free and not open source. Just like the original .NET implementation that Miguel is working to replace with a free one.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Yep,

Miguel seems to have become a love boy for all technologies that Microsoft produces. Maybe that is a way for him to compensate the fact of not being able to work there.

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