Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Mar 2007 17:44 UTC, submitted by suka
Mono Project In a recent interview with the online edition of the Austrian daily Newspaper Der Standard, Mono project-lead Miguel de Icaza pleads for a cooperation between Mono and Microsoft's .Net: "I think that the deal should include a technical Mono/.NET collaboration, and even go as far as Microsoft recommending Mono for all of their developers looking at migration."
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RE: I do like GNOME, but:
by kaiwai on Sun 25th Mar 2007 23:27 UTC in reply to "I do like GNOME, but:"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Mate, don't worry about it; GNOME hasn't included anything relating to Mono within the standard distribution - what you see in distributions are merely the result of its users asking for a said application, which happen to be written using mono.

The debate is over which framework should be used as the default for future development if GNOME developers choose to go down the road of having a managed environment - Mono, as much as De Lcaza argued that the technological arguments were compelling vs. the obvious licencing issues back then in regards to Java, the elephant in the room can no longer be ignored; the underlying motivation for the creation was the restrictive and closed source nature of Java.

Flash forward to 2007; Java has been open sourced under GPL; Sun is now an active opensource development company, with Solaris Enterprise System (the old iPlanet stack) will be opensource soon as well - which brings forward the question; which one will be chosen? for me, the choice is obvious now - a couple of years ago, I would have said mono after weighing up the patent, licencing and technological issues, but today with Java being opensource, more mature technologically, a big community of developers overall, and the fact that the issue of patents don't hover over the neck of Java like a guillotine over the neck of a falsely accused person, as with the case of Mono.

With that being said, I do think, however, that GNOME need to think long and carefully about using Java - use it where it works well, but don't use it for the sake of simply being able to say, "look at us! we use Java!".

Edited 2007-03-25 23:44

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Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

If I'm not mistaken, Tomboy is in 2.18. Tomboy uses Mono and GTK#. You can take it out, but it is now part of mainline GNOME

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RE[3]: I do like GNOME, but:
by kaiwai on Mon 26th Mar 2007 01:09 in reply to "RE[2]: I do like GNOME, but:"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, you are correct; it is part of the 'package list' but at the same time, however, Mono isn't playing a key roll in the core of the desktop environment; if it sits on the side as an option I have no worries - people should have the right to choose over what VM based language they wish to use, but at the same time, I would concerned if it started to become a 'must install' component of GNOME.

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RE[2]: I do like GNOME, but:
by Lambda on Mon 26th Mar 2007 02:16 in reply to "RE: I do like GNOME, but:"
Lambda Member since:
2006-07-28


The debate is over which framework should be used as the default for future development if GNOME developers choose to go down the road of having a managed environment


You're quite clueless regarding the antipathy towards Java, whether it's open source or not. You make the same bad logical analysis that developers are going to flock to Java just because it's almost open source.

The debate isn't over, because Gnome won't have an official runtime. Java is hated for various reasons, Mono is hated because it's MS, and other developers would rather stay away from both of them and use Python or Ruby. Gnome is a C platform - plain and simple, with various bindings that developers use for various applications that might or might not make it into the official Gnome applications releases.

With that being said, I do think, however, that GNOME need to think long and carefully about using Java - use it where it works well, but don't use it for the sake of simply being able to say, "look at us! we use Java!"

That's something you don't have to worry about. Java will be ignored only a little less than it is now.

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RE[3]: I do like GNOME, but:
by Moochman on Tue 27th Mar 2007 19:15 in reply to "RE[2]: I do like GNOME, but:"
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2005-07-06

You're quite clueless regarding the antipathy towards Java, whether it's open source or not. You make the same bad logical analysis that developers are going to flock to Java just because it's almost open source.

You talk about Java as if no one uses it. Sounds to me like you personally don't use it, so you maintain this illusion to justify your decision to yourself.

Java is hated for various reasons

In other words, you hate it, for reasons you don't care to disclose.

Java will be ignored only a little less than it is now.

You're right, it's just being ignored so much.
http://www.eclipse.org
http://www.limewire.org
http://azureus.sourceforge.net
http://www.neooffice.org
http://www.trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/qtjambi-techpreview

And no one's interested in developing anything new for Java on the desktop.

http://community.java.net/projects/community/javadesktop
http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/tools/nb_guibuilder...

Sorry, you seem to be blinded by your own prejudices. Please, go back to your hole.

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