Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 24th Mar 2007 18:55 UTC, submitted by irbis
X11, Window Managers "The Compiz and Beryl teams are discussing a merger. Posts on the Compiz forum and Beryl mailing list indicate that the projects are discussing how to execute a merger and work together to deliver a single compositing window manager to give 'bling' to the Linux desktop."
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cyclops
Member since:
2006-03-12

"What I'm saying is that Compiz and Beryl are not better to that majority of people who cannot run them due to lack of driver support, no matter who's fault it is."

This is my simple observation of reality.

Intel 60% of graphics market. Intel drivers work well with the current composited desktops, unlike say "Aero"

Let me just Clarify a point.
Nvidia *were* not well supported.
AMD Open-source drives were poor...but supported AXGL
AMD own Drivers are better(sic)..but don't support AXGL

Accelerated graphics on Linux is poor, and is getting better fast, its not stable; universally available...but its getting there about 4-5 for xorg 7.3 which I suspect will change everything.

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apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

I also agree with your post. Saying that Compiz/beryl is crap because it doesn't work with everything is wrong. Aero works with less hardware because the specs are so stringent. Linus will on older hardware with effects still working while on those machines Vista wil most likely shut them off. I say that Aero is not better because the majority of people that can't run it due to lack of hardware support, I say that Apples GUI is not better due to lack of hardware support. You see he same can be said of any OS. The majority of people need to stop whining becasue the majority of th people won't be abelt ot use their so called hardware with Macosx or Vista. Like the cyclops said ATI and Nvidia aren't the only game in town and the Nvidia drivers work pretty close to their windows counterpart.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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I also agree with your post. Saying that Compiz/beryl is crap because it doesn't work with everything is wrong.
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*sigh*

That is not what I am saying and never has been. Please quote where I said that your pet project^W^W^WCompiz/Beryl is crap because it doesn't work with everything.

I am saying that the ability to run it on their own hardware weighs in heavily to people who do not happen to be loyal devotees of Linux/Compiz/Beryl.

I am also saying that on the several machines that I have tried them on, each with different distributions, versions, and video chipsets, they both have been buggy.

Based upon that, I conclude that it is too early to claim victory as some want to do. That is my point. Nothing more and nothing less.

I suspect that the Compiz/Beryl developers, as opposed to certain overzealous fans, would actually agree with me on that; Which is why they are working so hard to make the software better.

Certain fans of every project seem to have trouble understanding that there might be a middle ground in which constructive criticism can live, in between the realms of "unconditional support" and "frontal attack".

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Intel 60% of graphics market. Intel drivers work well with the current composited desktops, unlike say "Aero"
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60% of *new* desktops, perhaps.

I agree that Intel's (relatively) new interest in Linux drivers is highly encouraging.

In fact, over the weekend I ordered an Intel Pro Wireless 2200 based wifi mini-pci card for my laptop to replace the Broadcom based one, simply on general principle.

(I also sent an email to Broadcom's local sales rep explaining Broadcom's poor support of Linux and why I had chosen to avoid their products in the future.)

So I am totally with you on Intel.

I expect that in a year or so, I just might be ready to claim a victory of sorts for Compiz/Beryl over Aero.

Just not today.

BTW, do Intel chipsets really not work with Aero? *Ouch* for Microsoft. As you say, Intel is an important supplier.

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