Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Apr 2007 21:56 UTC, submitted by suka
Novell and Ximian "Nat Friedman has been one of the driving forces behind the development of the Linux desktop for a few year now. First with his own company Ximian, founded together with Mono chief architect Miguel de Icaza, after its acquisition now inside Novell. A few months ago he has been named 'Technologist of the Year' by the VarBusiness magazine for his work around the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. Since then he has been promoted to Chief Technology and Strategy Officer for Open Source, besides the desktop he is also overseeing Novells server business now. During Novells Brainshare Andreas Proschofsky had the possibility to sit down with Friedman and talk about the Linux desktop, the consequences of the Microsoft agreement and the mistakes of the Hula project."
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RE: Tracker
by milles21 on Sun 1st Apr 2007 23:26 UTC in reply to "Tracker"
milles21
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2006-11-08

It amazes me half ass contributors always are quick to bad mouth people who are actually contributing. What I am saying is that it's like no one can have a damn opinion without being tore down. the same people who tear down Nat and Miguel conviently forget their contributions. I know I have opened the flood gates but damn I mean the bitching is old.

Liniux borrows features from other OS's nad it's an alternative. Let a closed source OS copy something Linux and it's oh the are copying not contributing. Since I know I will get the flames I am going to all out rant. What Linux needs is innovation and piublicity something that Nat and Novell has given. It is because of Novell and Linux that a whole new door has been open to end users. They may not know Redhat but they know Novell.

The introduction of beagle, and advances made Linux easier to use with the new sled menu. I guess I will stick to opensourcing the applications I develop and stay away from the community disputes it only destroys my belief in the benefits

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RE[2]: Tracker
by WorknMan on Sun 1st Apr 2007 23:53 in reply to "RE: Tracker"
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2005-11-13

he same people who tear down Nat and Miguel conviently forget their contributions. I know I have opened the flood gates but damn I mean the bitching is old.

Speakin of which, what do you guys think of this comment from the article:

Sure there are consequences for Novell in the community resulting from the (Microsoft) deal, we have seen that, but not in the respect that someone says "Well, Novell as a business did this agreement with Microsoft, so we won't accept their patches". And most of that negative sentiments don't seem to come from the people who accept patches anyway, they come from people who have a sort of "professional commentator" role in the community.

In other words,the people who are bitching aren't the ones doing all the work. Classic ;)

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RE[3]: Tracker
by Rehdon on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 07:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Tracker"
Rehdon Member since:
2005-07-06

Unfortunately for Novell, people like Allison (the SAMBA developer) cannot be discounted of as just "professional commentators". Novell has created a breach in the community and worked as a MS FUD tool, I read many comments not only from users, promptly ditching SUSE for other distros, but from developers as well, upset that someone could take advantage of their work allowing only a selected few to use it.

GPL v. 3 looms over, Novell's wishful thinking under that regard has no significance, the first they start to work to correct the situation the better for all of us.

Rehdon

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RE[2]: Tracker
by monodeldiablo on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 00:31 in reply to "RE: Tracker"
monodeldiablo Member since:
2005-07-06

I'd like you to read my comment again, this time without your religious goggles on. At no point did I "bad mouth" Nat. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in Nat flaming a project while condemning those who flame, especially given that his criticisms were incredibly weak, considering the facts. I intentionally avoided personal attacks to prevent just the kind of knee-jerk defensiveness that you and your fellow personality cult worshippers exhibit.

His contributions are numerous and appreciated, but that doesn't make him God. Just like the rest of us, if he doesn't like Tracker, he can make it better or improve on his alternative. He sank to the level of his detractors by throwing his torch into the flamefest.

Edit: sPilLeng.

Edited 2007-04-02 00:45

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RE[3]: Tracker
by natfriedman on Wed 4th Apr 2007 22:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Tracker"
natfriedman Member since:
2007-04-04

Hey, I didn't say flamewars are always bad, just that they are part of the way the community operates. :-)

(And I didn't choose the title of this article)

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RE[2]: Tracker
by monodeldiablo on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 00:36 in reply to "RE: Tracker"
monodeldiablo Member since:
2005-07-06

This is a continuation of the prior reply, sorry...

Case in point: Nat made it a point to claim that Tracker "doesn't work half as good as Beagle, it doesn't do half the things that Beagle does at the moment", but fails to elaborate on what that "half" is.

Very constructive.

What was that about flaming again?

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RE[3]: Tracker
by GhePeU on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 08:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Tracker"
GhePeU Member since:
2005-07-06

Case in point: Nat made it a point to claim that Tracker "doesn't work half as good as Beagle, it doesn't do half the things that Beagle does at the moment", but fails to elaborate on what that "half" is.

Well, I suppose it is pretty obvious if you compare
http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/index.html and http://beagle-project.org/Supported_Filetypes.

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