"This howto offers a simple way of creating DVD images of Debian or Ubuntu http/ftp repositories. Ubuntu doesn't offer DVDs ready to download with its main, universe, multiverse and/or restricted repositories. With the contents of this howto you can do it yourself. Having the Ubuntu or Debian repositories on DVD can be useful for those users who don't have access to the Internet where they have their Ubuntu installed but have access somewhere else to download the repository and build and burn the DVDs."
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Member since:2005-07-24
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it's on my mind with so many people hyping Ubuntu and denigrating Debian
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You are reading something into my post that is not there.
I'm not denigrating Debian.
Canonical has done some very common sense things on top of a solid Debian base to make it appeal to a broader audience. And they have cultivated a warm, friendly, knowledgeable, and ever helpful community to help new Linux users get started.
They've done nothing that was not obvious to anyone who really wanted to popularize Linux and they have done nothing that Debian proper could not have done.
*If* Debian had wanted Ubuntu-like popularity they could have achieved it if they had been willing to do the very common sense things necessary to attain it.
So I call "sour grapes" on those who moan about Ubuntu's popularity.
But it is important to remember that this is all done on top of a Debian core, and that the relationship *is* quite symbiotic.
Universe is community supported, yes. And that likely does mean the Debian community, of which Canonical and Ubuntu users are a part.
If Debian topples under its own weight it would be a great tragedy, but hardly Ubuntu's fault.
In fact, it seems to me that as the first really strong Debian based distro, Ubuntu has given Debian a badly needed kick in the pants, a complimentary reality check, and that Debian is better off for it.
Personally, considering the family of distros which are based upon Debian, I honestly think that Debian should consider adopting a style similar to the Linux Kernel.
By that I mean that perhaps they should formalize their position as a proto-distro, continuously developing Debian Unstable and Debian Testing, letting other entities do the polishing and final release work, and not try to do end user releases themselves.
Edited 2007-04-02 07:11
Member since:2005-11-11
I'm not accusing *you* of all that stuff (you're reading something inty my post), your post just happened to remind me of it. You can't say that sort of thing isn't floating around 
And yeah, collapsing under one's own weight by definition can't really be blamed on anyone else. But I don't think devs jumping ship helps (even though Debian takes blame for that. Ubuntu just gives them somewhere more appealing to go). Anyway, not so much sour grapes as hoping that Ubuntu can take over if it needs to. See previous post.
Interesting idea letting others do the polishing, though of course Debian itself probably wouldn't like it hehe
Edited 2007-04-02 07:31
Member since:2006-01-01
Personally, considering the family of distros which are based upon Debian, I honestly think that Debian should consider adopting a style similar to the Linux Kernel.
By that I mean that perhaps they should formalize their position as a proto-distro, continuously developing Debian Unstable and Debian Testing, letting other entities do the polishing and final release work, and not try to do end user releases themselves.
You are welcome to join the discussion here:
http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseProposals
Member since:
2005-11-11
As impressive as it is, Universe is not supported by Canonical. It's community supported, which I bet usually means taken straight from Debian.
So here's hoping Ubuntu kills off Debian quickly, Debian is dying/not relevant, Ubuntu has so much software etc. etc.[/sarcasm]
If Debian topples under its weight, hopefully Canonical can step up and support Universe. Otherwise They will have done a lot of harm. Bit OT I know, but it's on my mind with so many people hyping Ubuntu and denigrating Debian. They both have their place, so preferable they can continue to exist (and I think they will)