Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Apr 2007 21:56 UTC, submitted by suka
Novell and Ximian "Nat Friedman has been one of the driving forces behind the development of the Linux desktop for a few year now. First with his own company Ximian, founded together with Mono chief architect Miguel de Icaza, after its acquisition now inside Novell. A few months ago he has been named 'Technologist of the Year' by the VarBusiness magazine for his work around the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. Since then he has been promoted to Chief Technology and Strategy Officer for Open Source, besides the desktop he is also overseeing Novells server business now. During Novells Brainshare Andreas Proschofsky had the possibility to sit down with Friedman and talk about the Linux desktop, the consequences of the Microsoft agreement and the mistakes of the Hula project."
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RE: Tracker
by GhePeU on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 08:15 UTC in reply to "Tracker"
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I don't use a desktop indexer, I'm no beagle fanboy, but I'm SURE that I'll never install tracker unless they'll force me by making it a mandatory dependence.

I'm really sick of how tracker developers and users keep spamming of tracker everywhere: in the last months it seemed that no one could post in the GNOME mailing lists without being told that "tracker could solve his problem," no matter if it was the loading of .desktop files, the music player database, the translations of the names of the special folders or whatever. As Emmanuele Bassi put it, "tracker: a solution looking for a problem."

The only thing they didn't propose was to start tracker just after the linux kernel to index and load the modules. I'm not worried, however, I'm sure that they won't overlook this fondamental application of tracker any longer.

Edited 2007-04-02 08:16

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RE[2]: Tracker
by Jamie on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 12:30 in reply to "RE: Tracker"
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First off only two posts on d-d-l were about tracker solving a problem - its a bit exaggerated to call it spamming.

I can sure understand some people not wanting a desktop indexer but they are a minority and the majority of users (IE not geeks) will definitely need this technology.

Hopefully, when we are more integrated into the desktop, you will see the clear benefits (especially becuase we are not just an indexer but an RDF triple store metadata database too)

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RE[2]: Tracker
by g2devi on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 14:27 in reply to "RE: Tracker"
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I haven't found the need to use desktop search yet (If you keep your files organized, you don't need to search), but I don't see a problem with the "tracker everywhere" proposal. *If* tracker is modular then several technologies inherent in an indexer should be applicable to many tasks. Why do we need to reinvent the square wheel? Doesn't Unix get it's enormous power by force-fitting everything to be like a file handle? If there's one central concept to understand, then implementing generic concepts that work on things that we haven't even thought of becomes a lot easier. It's called good design.

So here's my question to you. Do you see anything fundamental in the design of tracker that would prevent it from filling that generic role?

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RE[3]: Tracker
by abraxas on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 15:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Tracker"
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I haven't found the need to use desktop search yet (If you keep your files organized, you don't need to search)

Beagle is a huge benefit to me because of email and conversation searching. There is no real way to keep instant message conversations organized and when you deal with thousands of the mailing list emails it is very hard to find information within those emails no matter how organized you are. It also makes available many different types of information when you search which can be extremely beneficial. For example, I can do a search fo SELinux and find a paper on security stored as a PDF, email from security mailing lists, and news concerning SELinux from my RSS feeds. I never thought I would need desktop search either but after trying it out for a while I think it is the best technology to really mature in the past few years with Beagle, Spotlight, and Vista's new search.

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RE[2]: Tracker
by monodeldiablo on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 21:44 in reply to "RE: Tracker"
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Actually, there are a number of problems that Tracker solves (and solves nicely). For instance, open Rhythmbox with a library of 5,000 songs.

Wait for it... wait... hold on... Takes awhile to load, doesn't it?

Now, try importing some photos (let's say 100 RAW or large JPGs) into F-Spot. Watch that silly little progress bar creep along. You can keep reading along while F-Spot chugs, if you wish. Hell, you could order a pizza.

Now that you've finally got those two running (only two apps, mind you) check how much memory those hogs are consuming, just sitting there. On my computer, it's over 100 MiB. And I haven't even started using the damn apps, yet!

But if they simply made calls to Tracker when they needed information, they wouldn't have to hold a massive list of all the files, metadata, tags, versions, etc. in memory, would they (that's Tracker's job, remember)? Startup would be nearly instantaneous. And you wouldn't have to import your files into each application after you're already moved the files to your disk.

And, of course, search today is inconsistent across applications. Tracker is optimized for search (tag-based, keyword or service type), doing so better than either app, on more fields, yielding more relevant information. And Tracker can bring tagging to Rhythmbox and greater flexibility in sorting/organizing to F-Spot. For free! With less work! How nice of those Tracker folks.

With a single metadata store/indexer, the user gains consistency across the desktop, speed, memory and utility. Developers get to reduce the amount of application-specific code they need to write (think: far fewer bugs). Tracker promises to reduce development redundancy, speed up the apps you use every day and significantly shrink the memory footprint of the Gnome desktop.

Remember, my example only used two apps. Think of all the other projects on the Gnome desktop that are reinventing the "search", "index" and "tag" wheels. Tomboy alone sucks another 15-25 MiB of memory! And all it amounts to is a GUI for Tracker's tagging and object store capabilities.

So I've got to ask you, how is this bad, again? If I were you, I would read up on technology you're bashing before trying to discredit it. Your arguments are about as specious as claiming that filesystems or shared libraries are "solutions looking for a problem".

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