Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 1st Apr 2007 21:56 UTC, submitted by suka
Novell and Ximian "Nat Friedman has been one of the driving forces behind the development of the Linux desktop for a few year now. First with his own company Ximian, founded together with Mono chief architect Miguel de Icaza, after its acquisition now inside Novell. A few months ago he has been named 'Technologist of the Year' by the VarBusiness magazine for his work around the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. Since then he has been promoted to Chief Technology and Strategy Officer for Open Source, besides the desktop he is also overseeing Novells server business now. During Novells Brainshare Andreas Proschofsky had the possibility to sit down with Friedman and talk about the Linux desktop, the consequences of the Microsoft agreement and the mistakes of the Hula project."
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RE: Some Interesting Bits
by abraxas on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 14:26 UTC in reply to "Some Interesting Bits"
abraxas
Member since:
2005-07-07

Quite what that groupware solution is, I don't know, but it certainly isn't Groupwise. What it should have though is a dead simple, no brainer migration tool to get everything out of Exchange and into the new environment inside about half an hour. Same with AD.

Half an hour!? I wish any mail migration took that little time. It's simply not feasible in most situations considering the amount of data that has to be processed.

I do agree with the tone of the interviewer here. Circa 2001, Evolution was a half decent mail client, but over the years, with the addition of groupware support amongst other things, it has become an awful lot less stable.

Evolution went through a rough spot in the early version 2 series but is very stable now. I use it on a daily basis and seldom have a problem with it.

We keep hearing about how much less memory Beagle is going to use in the future, and indeed every Mono application. Constantly. The fact is, Tracker is written with what Gnome is natively written with and should integrate an awful lot better with the desktop as a result. They look as if they're going to be collaborating with Nepomuk and through FD as well, which is great.

Mono does take a decent amount of resources. Beagle in particular takes a large chunk of memory but it is perfectly usable on a modern machine. For me searches are instantaneous. There is nothing slow about Beagle unless you are on a memory constrained system.

The last time I looked Tracker still did not have nearly as many features as Beagle but most of them were being worked on by the Tracker team. I use Beagle now and haven't tried Tracker yet but I don't see a need to unless I want to go backwards in functionality. Does anyone know if Tracker actually has a stable version that competes with Beagle feature for feature yet?

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RE[2]: Some Interesting Bits
by Jamie on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 15:04 in reply to "RE: Some Interesting Bits"
Jamie Member since:
2005-07-06

Tracker is a lot lot faster and lighter than beagle and does not slow your machine down while indexing.

Search time average is 20 milliseconds and we can index over 100 text files per second - you wont find a (significantly) faster indexer.

We have had reports of tracker running well on a 700MHz pentium III with 128 MB ram so its by far the better system if you want to run it on all kinds of systems

Its architecturally superior to Lucene (tracker is a differential indexer so can handle changes to files better than Lucene which must delete and reindex after every minor change) and is better optimised for desktop usage.

AFAIK its the only indexer with an RDF triple store integrated so is the only one that can currently deliver an integrated desktop solution that spans all metadata. When Beagle has a triple store then we can compare features with tracker.

The notion that tracker is way behind beagle is simply not true.

We do virtually all the same file formats beagle does.
We do Evolution Emails (in svn)
We do Gaim Logs (in svn shortly)
We do Application Files

We will be adding our external services support over Easter which will allow third party apps to act as indexers for tracker (and we have patches for Tomboy notes and Liferea already done - they just need to be integrated)

Also there's a GNOME SoC to make Epiphany use tracker to store all its bookmarks and history.

So i think we reaching a point where we are very close to what Beagle does. On the metdata database front we are way ahead of them as we have:

1) highly optimised triple store
2) Ability to cross query indexer and triple store
3) RDF Query implementation for powerful searches
4) No duplication of metadata in triple store and indexer (unlike Lucene our indexer does not store any metadata and is metadata agnostic so can scale better)

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RE[3]: Some Interesting Bits
by abraxas on Thu 5th Apr 2007 19:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Some Interesting Bits"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

We do Evolution Emails (in svn)

Beagle indexes and searches my email right now in the stable version.

We do Gaim Logs (in svn shortly)

Same here.

So apparently tracker doesn't meet my needs, unless I want to use an SVN version and even then I'll have to wait if I want to search my gaim logs.

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