Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 15:20 UTC, submitted by Archite
BSD and Darwin derivatives MidnightBSD has integrated ProPolice into its system. "MidnightBSD is a desktop operating system for x86 compatible, and soon amd64 compatible architectures. It was originally based on FreeBSD 6.1 Beta. The goal of the project is to create a BSD with ease of use and simplicity in mind."
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RE: Bleh...
by Archite on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 17:37 UTC in reply to "Bleh..."
Archite
Member since:
2006-01-14

Well, I can definitely understand your sentiment. We are by no means a distro. While at this point we do still resemble FreeBSD, it is our goal to go into a more user friendly and secure system. I don't know if we want to be as draconian as OpenBSD at this point but we would like it to have a strong influence on how the system is put together. While Free/Open/Net/BSD all offer numerous advantages, none of them quite met the needs in which we were wanting.

I understand the resentment but most new projects face this, especially when creating a fork. Our goal is not to take away from users of other BSD's; our goal is to create a BSD for people who too are looking for something different.

Thank for the input though! It's always great to get feedback from the community, whether good or bad.

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RE[2]: Bleh...
by Janizary on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 19:55 in reply to "RE: Bleh..."
Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

You say they've not met your needs, did you submit patches to any of them to correct this?

Did you begin a discussion on any of their mailing lists, their misc, disc or general lists, about starting a group effort to develop code to fill in what you view as deficiencies in the projects? FreeBSD has a group of people who just work on getting GNOME to work on it, I am sure you could have collected a similar group to make your own window manager and configuration tools for the system, and with OpenBSD's very anti-GNU policy, I don't doubt you could have gotten people interested in their own BSD toolkit and desktop environment there.

Unless you have sixty-odd people in your project working on it's improvement, you will never be able to keep your forked codebase up-to-date, just look at how poorly Mir has done with it's idea of doing the exact same thing as you, only adding in the ability to use the Linux kernel besides all the other nonsense.

You've bitten far more than should be chewed, your environment should have come first, then tools for configuration, then a installer that gets your FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD system installed with the Midnight-related packages pre-installed and configured, then maybe your own base system. As it is, it's outrageous to think your project will do better than ekkoBSD did.

But this isn't from the community, this is from the bleachers, or maybe the balcony.

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RE[3]: Bleh...
by Archite on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 20:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Bleh..."
Archite Member since:
2006-01-14

I seam to remember similar discontent when dragonflybsd forked as well. While you have your views, we have ours. I appreciate your enthusiastic skepticism but we do plan on proceeding with our goals.

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RE[3]: Bleh...
by nightlily on Mon 2nd Apr 2007 20:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Bleh..."
nightlily Member since:
2007-04-02

It is very difficult to get a patch into FreeBSD.

Honestly (this is just my opinion), the GNOME team is doomed. FreeBSD at the core is not a desktop system, and that's fine.

Maybe I am reading the information on EkkoBSD incorrectly, but the focus was easy administration (it seems like it still had a focus on servers). MidnightBSD is focusing on end users mostly.

Also MirBSD forked off OpenBSD and seems to mostly focus on ports and a shell.

I think the success of any open source project depends on if people are willing to try it. I doubt very many open source projects started with enough developers.

If MidnightBSD isn't your cup of tea, that's fine. No OS works for everyone.

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