Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 23:18 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris "Sun's CEO Jonathan Schwartz loves to splatter the media with the line that Windows, Red Hat Linux and Solaris stand as the only operating systems of significance in the server kingdom. We've spent the last few years struggling to appreciate the seriousness of that claim. Sun's declining system sales failed to inspire much optimism about the company conquering the data centers of tomorrow with a deflating 'venerable' OS. A couple of recent items, however, have tweaked our view of Schwartz's favored claim. It could well be that Solaris - of all things - provides the 'iPod moment' Sun seeks." In the meantime, Sun upped the speed of some of its SPARC chips.
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RE[2]: The turning point
by kaiwai on Wed 4th Apr 2007 01:40 UTC in reply to "RE: The turning point"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Just a couple of points:

1) I agree with the push on the desktop, laptop and workstation; I've pushed an idea through the marketing mailing list for a "Solaris Workstation Edition" where by there are periodic re-spins every 4 months, and packages for the distribution are available on a respository so that upgrades and updates can be done without needing to download an entirely new iso. I also have pushed through the idea that ON builds, not only include sources but pre-build packages so that novice users, and developers who have little time to compile, can download the latest and greatest, and test it in every day user - thus expanding the pool of testers.

2) Desktop/Laptop/Workstation is at the heart of attracting developers; attract them with a good desktop operating system, and they will come, learn the operating system, become excited about the direction, and mindshare is added to the developer community.

There seems to be a disconnect that you're a developer and a user, and they occupy seperate spaces; what about the developer sitting there writing code who wants to listen to his mp3's whilst working? what about the developer who does some part time programming at home, but also likes watching DVD's and movies on his computer?

This is where Sun falls down, assuming you can neatly catagories people into pigeon holes, and they never leave them - all the developer does is write code; I'd love to meet a programmer who only doesn't programming on his computer.

3) AIX is going to hang around simply because there are alot of IBM shops still out there - generally speaking, if you're a big IBM customer, it makes no sense mixing and matching, you just go with them, and they'll provide you with a 'great deal'.

This will be further entrenched with the move to standardise their whole high end on a single processor, where by you'll have from mainframe to server all using the POWER processor - thus leaving it up to the customer to decide what is suitable for which job - but beyond that, I don't see AIX expanding much, it just sits there, adds little revenue to the bigger picture.

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RE[3]: The turning point
by binarycrusader on Wed 4th Apr 2007 19:03 in reply to "RE[2]: The turning point"
binarycrusader Member since:
2005-07-06

Just a couple of points:

I've pushed an idea through the marketing mailing list for a "Solaris Workstation Edition" where by there are periodic re-spins every 4 months,


That's what Solaris Express Developer Edition is now.

...and packages for the distribution are available on a respository so that upgrades and updates can be done without needing to download an entirely new iso.


Unlikely to ever happen. The whole point of Solaris Express is that it isn't upgradeable easily between versions so Sun can invest more resources into building it and less resources on trying to support it. What you're asking for is for free support. They might be willing to do this under a paid scheme, but I don't think it is worth their time. Upgrades aren't always possible between these versions because packages are split, etc.

I also have pushed through the idea that ON builds, not only include sources but pre-build packages so that novice users, and developers who have little time to compile, can download the latest and greatest, and test it in every day user - thus expanding the pool of testers.


They have already started to do this with JDS, so it isn't a new idea. As far as sources, I think most people would want those on a separate set of media. The download is pretty big already. I don't see how source code will expand the pool of testers.

You can already download the latest and greatest as often as it is available -- from the individual community's pages or when it becomes part of the next ISO release.

There seems to be a disconnect that you're a developer and a user, and they occupy seperate spaces; what about the developer sitting there writing code who wants to listen to his mp3's whilst working? what about the developer who does some part time programming at home, but also likes watching DVD's and movies on his computer?


You can play mp3s and some video formats out of the box on Solaris Express editions with RealPlayer (I think S10U2 and newer as well).

This is where Sun falls down, assuming you can neatly catagories people into pigeon holes, and they never leave them - all the developer does is write code; I'd love to meet a programmer who only doesn't programming on his computer.


Remember their original target audience. The corporate world. At my employer, we're not allowed to have mp3s, etc. at all on the workstations. So yes, the only thing I can do on my "workstation" is work.

Most of these ideas have been around for a while. They aren't new really, no offense ;)

Edited 2007-04-04 19:04 UTC

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RE[4]: The turning point
by ormandj on Wed 4th Apr 2007 20:34 in reply to "RE[3]: The turning point"
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2005-10-09

I understand/agree with a lot of what you're saying. However, in reference to the dev/desktop version:

That's what Solaris Express Developer Edition is now.


... snip snip ...

Unlikely to ever happen. The whole point of Solaris Express is that it isn't upgradeable easily between versions so Sun can invest more resources into building it and less resources on trying to support it. What you're asking for is for free support. They might be willing to do this under a paid scheme, but I don't think it is worth their time. Upgrades aren't always possible between these versions because packages are split, etc.


Those two are contradictory. What developer/workstation user wants to have to do a complete install every time there is a new version/updates available? That's counter-productive, and a great way to waste time.

I love Solaris, and I'm a big supporter of the "new" Sun (and I like the direction they are headed, as well) - but their workstation/desktop/developer push quite frankly sucks right now. They're headed in the right direction, but until there is an OS release that is modern enough to use on a day to day basis as a desktop/workstation (which is easily upgraded) available, nobody is really going to want to run it.

I'd love to have a Solaris workstation right now, but I can't - on a clean install (Sol10 11/06), on a fully supported system, using the included browser/etc, even going to sun.com and moving over the image rollovers "lags" the display. Installing nVidia's drivers doesn't fix the problem, either. Various other "niggles" of this sort exist. This isn't just on one machine, it's on all workstations I've given Solaris a shot on. I've seen things like this commented on repeatedly, and repeatedly been told it's a known issue and will be fixed sometime in the future. Not a good answer to hear!

Not to mention the outdated software, not slightly, but severely. I forget the version number offhand, but Mozilla? Come on...

When Sun can iron these issues out and provide a usable and at least somewhat modern OS, it'll appeal more to desktop/workstation/developer users. Right now, I have to dual boot (actually, I use vmware) Solaris, because it's unusable as a day to day desktop for me, even in a "workstation" capacity. Being upgradeable without ISO downloads and so forth is a major component of usability.

Sure does a heck of a lot right, though! That's why I'm so interested and hopeful things keep moving forward in the right direction. Maybe one of the XX/07 releases will finally answer with FF2 and so forth. ;) An updated Gnome from SX wouldn't hurt, either!

Just checked, here's the info on the web browser in Solaris 10 11/06:

PKGINST: SUNWmozilla
NAME: Mozilla Web browser
CATEGORY: MOZ17,application,JDS3
ARCH: i386
VERSION: 1.7,REV=10.0.3.2004.12.21.11.47

Mozilla 1.7. Yikes.

Edited 2007-04-04 20:53 UTC

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