Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 17:13 UTC, submitted by davidiwharper
Novell and Ximian "The Free Software Foundation has published a third draft of the GPL3 license. The FSF had indicated leading up to this draft that it would be addressing some concerns it had with the Novell-Microsoft agreements in the draft. Here's Novell's position on the new draft."
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IanSVT
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2005-07-06

I'm pissed, I normally agree with you! Now what am I going to do? ;)

Seriously though, I agree RedHat will fill the gap, but certainly not all of it and the amount they can fill is very debatable. Novell has products which neither RedHat nor any other Linux distros have. GroupWise being the biggest example of a "killer app". IBM does have Notes, but there isn't much movement to Notes. The only other major player in that domain...is...you know who.

Moreover, a meltdown of a "Linux company" spurred by the license would cast a shadow of a doubt over the viability of Linux in the work place, regardless of its technical merits. If technical merits were what really counted in terms of sales, NetWare would have squashed NT a decade ago. That shadow of a doubt would likely push many organizations on the fence over to the MS side. I can tell you now, if Novell folded tomorrow, there's nothing I could do to keep MS from taking over my server in full. I suspect there are many similar situations.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

You're right, of course. I'll be very honest and say that for the last couple of days I've intentionally argued positions that I normally would not because:

1. I'm in an odd mood.

2. It's a good way to understand better how the people on the other side of the debate think.

I am a bit uncomfortable with the second most important Linux company in existence being involved with Linux largely as a matter of convenience.

I don't think that they have the same kind of deep commitment to the OSS philosophy that RedHat has. And by that, I do not mean idealism. I mean that RedHat believes, in its corporate soul, that if it stands true to its OSS philosophy, that it will flourish as a company.

Now they may be right, and they may be wrong. But the important thing is that they believe this with all their yuppie, executive, hearts. ;-)

Desperation drove Novell to OSS. I don't think that they have the same convictions. And I don't think that they are in this for the long term.

But yeah. I guess we need 'em.

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IanSVT Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think that they have the same kind of deep commitment to the OSS philosophy that RedHat has. And by that, I do not mean idealism. I mean that RedHat believes, in its corporate soul, that if it stands true to its OSS philosophy, that it will flourish as a company.

I agree with you there. The fact that NetWare was at end of life(it just got a shot in the arm due to Xen) really forced the move. RedHat and Novell come from different backgrounds, but they both do some very positive things for OSS.

It's funny though, when Sun announced the future open sourcing of Solaris and Java, it was touted as a coup around here by some. "Sun finally gets it" was a common comment. I think the ulterior motive here was not to support OSS in essence, but rather hitch their java and solaris wagons to OSS to keep them from slipping into irrelevancy. I would call that going against the spirit of the GPL, just not as overtly as people are seeing Novell do it with the Microsoft deal.

Yes, seeing the other side is always useful. I could see getting all huffy and puffy at Novell from certain points of view. Unfortunately, at this site I'm in a unique position, because the only thing keeping Microsoft out completely is Novell. RedHat just couldn't fill the gap.

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