Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Apr 2007 09:14 UTC, submitted by jeanmarc
Zeta For the first time in its 7 years of existence, some decent statement has been released concering the legality of Zeta. Access, the current owner of Be, Inc.'s IP, states: "We have sent 'cease and desist' letters to YellowTab on a number of occasions, which have been uniformly ignored. If Herr Korz feels that he holds a legitimate license to the BeOS code he's been using, we're completely unaware of it, and I'd be fascinated to see him produce any substantiation for that claim." Update: Bernd Korz has replied on his blog.
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RE[4]: About Max
by bryanv on Wed 4th Apr 2007 20:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: About Max"
bryanv
Member since:
2005-08-26

AMEN!

BeOS MAX is the most bloated piece of shitware I ever downloaded. I -HATE- that distro.

It pisses in the face of everything that was BeOS. My God, hae you looked at a /boot/home folder after installing that thing? Gah.

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RE[5]: About Max
by petterhj on Wed 4th Apr 2007 20:50 in reply to "RE[4]: About Max"
petterhj Member since:
2005-08-19

It pisses in the face of everything that was BeOS.

In fact, I think I would say I agree here. *Every* new person that wants to try BeOS gets directed to "BeOS Max", which is sad. Max IMHO is moving away from what BeOS was/is.

It has the patches yes, but those can easily be obtained anyway. What you get instead is a *lot* of bloat and an altered look.

I don't think Haiku aims to be _just_ a _base_ system for a given distro to build upon! Haiku will include the basic yes, but you can easily tailor it to your needs! I don't see the problem with that.

I hope we don't need to see this distro mess in the Haiku world. The best would be if all could work together providing apps/drivers instead of moving in separate directions!

Edited 2007-04-04 20:56

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RE[6]: About Max
by fyysik on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:09 in reply to "RE[5]: About Max"
fyysik Member since:
2006-02-19

I added -1 to PetterHJ for agressive ignorance.
There was MiniMax distribution made by same person, including patches not bloat. Bit larger than original PE.
There was always choice in that, and blaiming someone's work (with doing nothing byself - even to clarify situation for self) is not that best way to behave.

I personally directed lot of beginners to MiniMax, and also "BigMax" entry on bebits had link to that minimalistic distro.

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RE[6]: About Max
by vitae on Thu 5th Apr 2007 04:07 in reply to "RE[5]: About Max"
vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

On the contrary. BeOSmax is perfect for people who are complete noobs to BeOS. Easy to install and includes a variety of apps to try out. Beginners aren't going to want to go through the hassles of messing with PE and then going and downloading a bunch of apps off BeBits which they may not even know about and which they probably don't have the patience to browse through especially considering that half the apps are abandoned by their creators. BeOSmax saves the beginner a whole lot of trouble.

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RE[5]: About Max
by Luposian on Wed 4th Apr 2007 20:53 in reply to "RE[4]: About Max"
Luposian Member since:
2005-07-27

I downloaded BeOS MAX v3 awhile ago and installed it. I, too, was surprised by how much "stuff" was in it... everything but the kitchen sink!

However, I have noticed one thing in particular... GLTeapot runs NOTICABLY faster in BeOS MAX than in BeOS R5 PE (WIND Distro, which is what I use) or BeOS R5 PE, or Haiku. Something around 120+ fps, when my system gets around 90-109fps.

What is BeOS MAX doing (or what is enabled) that improves software OpenGL so significantly? Tell me what I need to do to get that boost in my Wind distro or Haiku. Please!

To call BeOS MAX such a derogatory title as "$hitware" is quite excessive, in my opinion. To me, BeOS, in ANY incarnation (no matter HOW much stuff is included) doesn't deserve to be called off so disparagingly.

I, personally, would rather have a lean, efficient, fast install of BeOS R5 PE and go looking for the stuff I *WANT* added to it. I think the very least that should be included/enabled is the patches that allow it to run on modern hardware. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Calling BeOS MAX "$hitware" makes you sound more like you hate BeOS, period, than just that you don't like that particular "distro".

Vasper is to be congratulated for his efforts... not beaten down. He's trying to make our lives easier, but having everything at our fingertips.

Do you ram your car into a Boy Scout helping a little old lady across the street, because the light is green and you still have to wait til he's gotten across with her? That's about the equivilent of your insult, concerning BeOS MAX.

Edited 2007-04-04 20:58

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RE[6]: About Max
by petterhj on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:01 in reply to "RE[5]: About Max"
petterhj Member since:
2005-08-19

GLTeapot runs NOTICABLY faster in BeOS MAX than in BeOS R5 PE (WIND Distro, which is what I use) or BeOS R5 PE

For gods sake. BeOS Max *IS* BeOS R5 PE (only with 3rd party drivers/apps/patches). If it runs faster it has nothing to do with any changes made to the *system* itself. It's solely based on BeOS R5 PE by Be Inc.

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RE[6]: About Max
by Vibe on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:10 in reply to "RE[5]: About Max"
Vibe Member since:
2007-03-12

I, personally, would rather have a lean, efficient, fast install of BeOS R5 PE and go looking for the stuff I *WANT* added to it. I think the very least that should be included/enabled is the patches that allow it to run on modern hardware. Nothing more. Nothing less.

That's a sound enough view. BeOS PE and BeOS (warzed to the) MAX is a bit like the difference between a retail version of Windows and some of the awful vendor versions that have been shipped. Mostly, you'd have to strip it all out and put something worth having on. That's a hassle and amateurish.

I've already said what I'd like to see in a future effort by Vasper based on Haiku, and the same applies here. Most people just want the OS to work out of the box and core best of breed applications. Apple does very well on that basis. The kitchen sink distributions are for the script kiddie brigade.

Vasper can do what he wants but mainstream take up of Haiku is where it's at. Most people just want browsing, email and newsgroups, office applications, image editing, archive and a few other tools like, say, a database server. The rest is noise.

Edited 2007-04-04 21:11

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RE[5]: About Max
by JPisini on Wed 4th Apr 2007 20:58 in reply to "RE[4]: About Max"
JPisini Member since:
2006-01-24

Where is your BeOS based distro or documentation that you wrote explaining how to setup BeOS for new users? Don't put down Vasper just because you don't care for his implementation make your own.

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RE[6]: About Max
by petterhj on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:08 in reply to "RE[5]: About Max"
petterhj Member since:
2005-08-19

Don't put down Vasper just because you don't care for his implementation make your own.

I don't think anyone is trying to put him down personally. I for one is just afraid of this distro mess we see in the Linux world where everybody works in separate directions instead of working together.

Where is your BeOS based distro or documentation that you wrote explaining how to setup BeOS for new users?

It should maybe be more accessible yes, and maybe a pre-patched BeOS R5 PE is the way to go, but calling it a distro and distance it from what BeOS was is something different.

Edited 2007-04-04 21:10

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