Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 17:13 UTC, submitted by davidiwharper
Novell and Ximian "The Free Software Foundation has published a third draft of the GPL3 license. The FSF had indicated leading up to this draft that it would be addressing some concerns it had with the Novell-Microsoft agreements in the draft. Here's Novell's position on the new draft."
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sbergman27
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2005-07-24

You're right, of course. I'll be very honest and say that for the last couple of days I've intentionally argued positions that I normally would not because:

1. I'm in an odd mood.

2. It's a good way to understand better how the people on the other side of the debate think.

I am a bit uncomfortable with the second most important Linux company in existence being involved with Linux largely as a matter of convenience.

I don't think that they have the same kind of deep commitment to the OSS philosophy that RedHat has. And by that, I do not mean idealism. I mean that RedHat believes, in its corporate soul, that if it stands true to its OSS philosophy, that it will flourish as a company.

Now they may be right, and they may be wrong. But the important thing is that they believe this with all their yuppie, executive, hearts. ;-)

Desperation drove Novell to OSS. I don't think that they have the same convictions. And I don't think that they are in this for the long term.

But yeah. I guess we need 'em.

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IanSVT Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think that they have the same kind of deep commitment to the OSS philosophy that RedHat has. And by that, I do not mean idealism. I mean that RedHat believes, in its corporate soul, that if it stands true to its OSS philosophy, that it will flourish as a company.

I agree with you there. The fact that NetWare was at end of life(it just got a shot in the arm due to Xen) really forced the move. RedHat and Novell come from different backgrounds, but they both do some very positive things for OSS.

It's funny though, when Sun announced the future open sourcing of Solaris and Java, it was touted as a coup around here by some. "Sun finally gets it" was a common comment. I think the ulterior motive here was not to support OSS in essence, but rather hitch their java and solaris wagons to OSS to keep them from slipping into irrelevancy. I would call that going against the spirit of the GPL, just not as overtly as people are seeing Novell do it with the Microsoft deal.

Yes, seeing the other side is always useful. I could see getting all huffy and puffy at Novell from certain points of view. Unfortunately, at this site I'm in a unique position, because the only thing keeping Microsoft out completely is Novell. RedHat just couldn't fill the gap.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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It's funny though, when Sun announced the future open sourcing of Solaris and Java, it was touted as a coup around here by some. "Sun finally gets it" was a common comment.
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Yes, I think I've made that comment a few times. ;-)

I think that Sun is still young and vibrant enough at heart to be a real OSS leader. Open sourcing their crown jewels takes real guts and more than a little conviction.

We haven't seen Novell open source anything that could be referred to as "crown jewels". They keep all of that proprietary. Suse was already open. YAST? Yes. But, but cubic zirconia, at best. ;-)

Sun is definitely coming in as a rival to Linux. They want to compete. And I think that gets them less credit than they deserve among us Linux fans. They do want to compete... but on a level OSS playing field, and that's perfectly cool with me.

Scott McNealy dug Sun a pretty big hole for itself in the OSS backyard*. And that means that Sun is going to have to do that much more to pull themselves out of it and gain good standing in the community. But I am optimistic that they are up to it.

And I'm looking forward to watching how it plays out.


* It wasn't all bad, of course: http://tinyurl.com/3ad7kv

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