For the first time in its 7 years of existence, some decent statement has been released concering the legality of Zeta. Access, the current owner of Be, Inc.'s IP, states: "We have sent 'cease and desist' letters to YellowTab on a number of occasions, which have been uniformly ignored. If Herr Korz feels that he holds a legitimate license to the BeOS code he's been using, we're completely unaware of it, and I'd be fascinated to see him produce any substantiation for that claim." Update: Bernd Korz has replied on his blog.
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Member since:2006-02-19
You wrote:
"In fact, I think I would say I agree here. *Every* new person that wants to try BeOS gets directed to "BeOS Max", which is sad. Max IMHO is moving away from what BeOS was/is."
So, when I mentioned that Max had version absolutely without bloat - you ignored that notice. Where is bloat there and how MiniMax breaks "BeOS way"?
Then you wrote:
"It has the patches yes, but those can easily be obtained anyway. What you get instead is a *lot* of bloat and an altered look."
Did you really ever use BeOS??? Yes, those can be obtained and installed - but it is not the case in most situation when and WHY you need those patches - you get chicken/eggs problem here. And even if you have spare older computer, applying patches on existing system in order to prepare "your own good distro" may break its functionality. I have very long and big experience in all that experimenting.
So this your statement is also very very weak.
And third about all additional soft available on the net.
1)It seems your needs are minimalistics or you really almost do not use this OS. My 8-year experience with net repos shows, that soft is permanently disappearing, and sometimes even wasn't published there, at public repos, like that newer Perl version, or cvs version etc which I definitely need for my development.
2)BeOS isn't even Linux, and I saw lot of cases in BeOS community when it was impossible to run networking in BeOS on people's hardware. So it is additional trouble and hassle - download it in another OS, then do sometimes dead grip tricks to transfer it to BFS partiton.
3)In some countries and places even at time when BeOS MAX rised even landline phone modem Internet access wasn't cheap, not to say about real broadband.
So it is another real reason for people to choose even Big MAX distro.
And about BeOS way feel. At least for me it was muchcloser to that feel than Zeta. About this last my I can agree that it is very subjective, but I'm feel obliged to left something here for you to continue arguing
Edited 2007-04-04 22:16
Member since:2005-12-31
PetterHJ wrote:
What I'm trying to say, is that with Haiku, I don't see the need for distros. I don't see the problem with downloading what I need myself.
Great PetterHJ. Then for you, just download standard Haiku OS & use that, because it'll be very basic (unbloated). How about everybody else out there? Do you think everyone will agree with this? Don't you think some people like to have lots of applications pre-installed (or at least the major ones)? Wouldn't Haiku attract more users with a *fully* loaded version?
If you want basic, then download & run standard Haiku - it'll do the job for you, but some won't be satisfied by basic Haiku & want stuff already installed and working for them.
Distros are bound to happen. It'll be like Linux all over again and people will have to decide if they want to use standard Haiku, Distro A, Distro B or Distro C. I personally don't see a problem with this. The name is the only issue for me. They *shouldn't* use Haiku in the distro name, because it'll confuse people. Imagine 300 distros of Linux all using the term "Linux" in the distro name. The "Linux" term is used to define the type of OS & Haiku should do the same.
I've downloaded & installed lots of stuff from Bebits & most of the links worked. But those that didn't I had to search on BeShare & Internet to find them. Also, I'm sure new users will appreciate having everything setup already & working for them.
Member since:2005-08-19
I think Haiku will include basic, yet powerfull applications in the future. Applications which most people need and use. Maybe something along the lines of OS X?
I see your point with people needing extra applications. I do as well, and I download them when I need them. You don't see Windows and OS X distributions, but they include a basic application base (OS X better than Windows here I must say). I don't see anyone requesting more pre-configuration and more apps bundled with these operating systems?
I think a better solution than distribution loaded with applications is a collaborative page like BeBits. A site "integrated" into the OS, which suggest applications, maybe some downloader system. But this is glass elevator talk.
The way is see distro-hell, is a lot of people working in different directions instead of working together. Distributions brings with it a lot of confusion, problems in support and so on.
What I'm trying to say, is that I suggest a better download service for applications for Haiku. BeBits is such a page. Unfortunately, it's not as great as it was some years ago. Links disappear. Thats the bad thing about a site that depends on external mirrors.
Edited 2007-04-04 23:29
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2005-08-19
"It just works", especially on some post-2002 hardware.
And that is the only viable argument for directing new users to BeOS Max IMO.
What I'm trying to say, is that with Haiku, I don't see the need for distros. I don't see the problem with downloading what I need myself. I'm entitled to an opinion just as much as those who argument in favor of distributions. And this has nothing to do with attacking Vasper personally! I'm just stating what I feel about the distro culture.