Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:29 UTC
Zeta A lot of things have happened in the past few days concerning Zeta, BeOS, and Haiku. In order to create some order in the chaos, Eugenia and I have created a rough timeline of what happened the past 6-7 years. Read on for the timeline and some more thoughts on the matter. Update: Magnusoft ceases distribution of Zeta. Update II: Access answered the questions posed in the article.
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RE: I'll tell you why...
by kaiwai on Thu 5th Apr 2007 11:47 UTC in reply to "I'll tell you why..."
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

I disagree with your assessment:

And I think that's something that gets overlooked in all the zeal about how great Be was. It wasn't a great business, it wasn't a great business model, and it wasn't greatly demanded by the public.


Yes, it was a terrible business model from the point of view that it took far too long to kill off the PowerPC system and the port - quite frankly, it was a money loseing waste of an effort to continue developing a machine that occupied a niche within a niche within a niche.

Lets say they went right off the bat with BeOS, killed off PowerPC and hardware business long before R4, and focused on purely on the x86 platform - they wouldn't have had the mirrade of issues which plagued them.

They would have retained alot more money which they could have then pumped back into development rather than propping up their hardware business - but even then, it was an operating system going for a niche, and we all have seen those who occupy a niche - they eventually die, there isn't the volume to keep up with the rising costs that are associated with software development.

The only real hope, is the opensource implementation in the form of HaikuOS - I said it around 8 years ago, the only way that BeOS can survive is for the opensource community rally around; companies come and go, but if the code is opensource, there is always going to be someone or something willing to pick up the ball and run with it.

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RE[2]: I'll tell you why...
by lucky13 on Thu 5th Apr 2007 16:22 in reply to "RE: I'll tell you why..."
lucky13 Member since:
2007-04-01

I disagree with your assessment:

My assessment was that it was a bad business built on a worse business model. Then you describe how it was a bad business built on a worse business model. So just how do you disagree? By hypotheticals!

You can play hypotheticals all you want but that doesn't change what Be was or that it's defunct today. There was no demand for it on any platform -- not to the extent that anyone could make money from it. There weren't profits to be made that could be rolled back into development.

Open sourcing BeOS wouldn't have done anything that Be didn't try -- and they had plenty of venture capital money to play with. I have nothing to say about the Haiku project except that I admire its progress; I haven't used it, and I doubt I ever will. Technically and with respect to consumer demand, I don't think it has better legs under it than Be ever did.

Now for some tough love -- and I promise this isn't flame bait, it's just the cold hard reality. I wrote on my blog last night:
...I think thatís one of the great ironies: Be paid no homage to the past with support for legacy hardware ó BeOS was intended only for current hardware. In recreating an open source BeOS, will Haiku be relevant to our increasingly smaller wireless future or will it be relegated to our increasingly archaic desktops?
http://lucky13.blogsavy.com/2007/04/04/another-beos-spin-off-bites-...

In trying to be a modern desktop system, Haiku already way behind the eight ball. I don't care how technically superior it may be to Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD, or anything else. The modern desktop isn't where Linux and other OSes are trying to get more share. That war's pretty much over with a few minor skirmishes for small turf advances remaining. The next frontier where the battle is being fought in earnest is away from the desktop -- mobile, smaller, scalable, secure. That's where Linux is battling for big share, and winning:
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=21904&hed=Linux+%E2~*~...

How many phones will Haiku run on in five years? What will their market share of mobile devices be in the next decade? Probably less than their share of the desktop market in 2007.

Be wasn't something consumers wanted in the 1990s. I don't think consumers want Haiku or will want it in the foreseeable future, on desktops or otherwise. Be was ahead of its time; Haiku is behind the times.

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RE[3]: I'll tell you why...
by Vibe on Thu 5th Apr 2007 16:37 in reply to "RE[2]: I'll tell you why..."
Vibe Member since:
2007-03-12

Be wasn't something consumers wanted in the 1990s. I don't think consumers want Haiku or will want it in the foreseeable future, on desktops or otherwise. Be was ahead of its time; Haiku is behind the times.

The world's full of experts who say something will fail, and when it succeeds they want a slice of the action. The potential for Haiku is tremendous. The hard part is realising that potential. Getting to R1 will shut a lot of mouths who said it would never happen. The rest? I think you get the idea...

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