Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:29 UTC
Zeta A lot of things have happened in the past few days concerning Zeta, BeOS, and Haiku. In order to create some order in the chaos, Eugenia and I have created a rough timeline of what happened the past 6-7 years. Read on for the timeline and some more thoughts on the matter. Update: Magnusoft ceases distribution of Zeta. Update II: Access answered the questions posed in the article.
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RE: "Just the facts, ma'am..."
by tonestone57 on Thu 5th Apr 2007 21:58 UTC in reply to ""Just the facts, ma'am...""
tonestone57
Member since:
2005-12-31

Welcome David to OSNEWS.

I and others appreciate you taking the time to clarify your / Access' position.

Once I saw Bernd, AKA Herr, hmm two different names :-)
Korz's Blog about him going to the lawyer, it told me everything I needed to know.

Meaning actions speak louder than words, and Bernd will likely release a formal statment with little or no information because he is looking more & more guilty & I'm sure wants to protect himself from legal action (prosecution).

I'm sorry you guys didn't get any financial compensation from Zeta (for using BeOS code), but I have to say that Zeta helped further BeOS, create a greater presence / awareness of BeOS and some of us will be sorry to see it gone (even though we are now told it is illegal), because it is pretty good.

As for Magnussoft, they were basically duped by Bernd and are a reputable company who want to do the right thing. They were unaware that Zeta was considered to be illegal by Access, something Bernd would have neglected to tell them. Once the legal status of Zeta is determined, and *if* illegal, then maybe Access can work out a license agreement with Magnussoft, ie: take 10-20% of the profits, to let them distribute Zeta 1.21 & 1.5, because Magnussoft will lose out too from not being able to sell Zeta anymore (& they funded the development costs for 1.21 & 1.5 and I believe were innocent of any wrong doing).

Edited 2007-04-05 22:02

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Vibe Member since:
2007-03-12

Once the legal status of Zeta is determined, and *if* illegal, then maybe Access can work out a license agreement with Magnussoft, ie: take 10-20% of the profits, to let them distribute Zeta 1.21 & 1.5, because Magnussoft will lose out too from not being able to sell Zeta anymore (& they funded the development costs for 1.21 & 1.5 and I believe were innocent of any wrong doing).

I want to see Zeta die. It's a legal and PR disaster. Starting afresh with Haiku looks like the better option, and Magnussoft could find some way of commercialising it if they were interested and up to the job.

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tonestone57 Member since:
2005-12-31

Starting afresh with Haiku looks like the better option, and Magnussoft could find some way of commercialising it if they were interested and up to the job.

Well, if Access & Magnussoft worked out a licensing agreement then Zeta would no longer be illegal *and* both these companies could benefit financially (earn profit). I'm sure Magnussoft took a loss in the development of Zeta (so parted ways with Bernd) & Access lost out on licensing fees for all Zeta versions. Might as well get something out of it. (I doubt Bernd would challenge Access, since he isn't providing proof of his right to make & distribute Zeta).

Also, whatever happened to individual choice? Shouldn't each person decide for themselves if they want to buy Zeta or not. I'm happy you've made up your mind Vibe, but everybody has to decide for themselves what they prefer to do.

And, it is doubtful that Magnussoft could make updates to Zeta. Why? Because Bernd would have the source code to Zeta/BeOS. You think he'd give this to Magnussoft? Magnussoft would only have the binaries, so they could only create new applications / programs & update most libraries (which come from open source), but wouldn't be able to "fix" the OS itself (get rid of bugs, make OS improvements, etc). I *feel* very certain that Bernd (& his developers) have the source code & *not* Magnussoft, but can't say for sure. And even *if* Magnussoft had the source, they wouldn't develop it without the consent of Access, because they follow the legal system.

PS Instead of 10-20% of profit, they should just rework the agreement with taking out Bernd & replacing it with Access (Maybe Bernd was getting 50% of profit? or less, because Magnussoft paid for the development costs?). I'm sure they could figure something out.

Edited 2007-04-05 22:32

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Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

@tonestone

Um... "Herr" is not an aka or a name. It means "Mr." in German.

"Herr Korz" means "Mr. Korz".

Thanks!

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tonestone57 Member since:
2005-12-31

Hi Mage66,

Thanks for the correction.

I thought it was a first or middle name, but I wasn't ruling it out as an alias either.

Unfortunately I don't speak German so I missed that one and was wondering why David referred to him as Herr Korz & not Bernd Korz.

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