"After several weeks of discussion the leaders of Compiz and Beryl have agreed
that the two communities shall reunite. This decision is supported by both David and Quinn and represents the majority decision of the administrators and developers in each community."
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Member since:2005-10-02
Member since:2006-11-20
You're rigth, I have -gnome in my make.conf, but I did put
x11-wm/compiz gnome
in my package.use, I don't really remeber why I did so but I guess that compiz does not have some features without it. When I was posting I didn't noticed that so sorry for too fast posting.
Member since:2005-07-11
You guys need to get over the dependency thing. It is just NOT a big deal! No, your system will not be "bloated" from having extra libraries installed. Unless you are running your system on a 386 with 8 Mb RAM, this is simply not an issue. You only get the false illusion of 'optimizing' your system, when what you really get is a millisecond here and there, making absolutely no difference at all.
No, you cannot feel the difference. If you think you can, it's an illusion. Human-Computer Interaction is generally not a very quick process, and when computers seem sluggish, it is always because of poorly written programs that brings the hardware to it's knees (such as using the wrong algorithm on the wrong type of data, leaking memory leading to thrashing, etc.).
Linux, however, is not poorly written, and neither is Gnome or any of it's dependencies. And neither are Compiz/Beryl.
- Simon
Member since:2006-11-20
And where in my post You see _anything_ that says "I don't want gnome deps becouse it slows my system" ?
I just noted that it needs gnome deps, I was wrong becouse I had gnome use flag in package.use (in make.conf I got -gnome) and I didn't noticed that this USE flag is on with compiz but still, there is no word about speed or optimizing anything.
Member since:2006-09-19
I don't think I ever will. I was born with AntiGnome emblem tatooed on my forhead.
It IS a very big deal to me. And yes,the system will be very much bloated with extra tens of megabytes of libs and useless Gnome junk.
Exactly, the goal here is to avoid the poorly written, bloated, and badly performing Gnome libraries.
BTW, Compiz/Beryl are still highly experimental and not really suitable for production use machines.
So your last sentence is the evidence of how clueless you really are on this issue.
Member since:2005-07-06
Correcting becouse You are wrong (unless You have a overlay with compiz that does not need gnome-control-center)
He's right, you are wrong. Remove that "gnome" use-flag, if you tell portage to install compiz with gnome support, it's obvious it's going to install gnome.
Edited 2007-04-07 12:04
Member since:
2006-11-20
Correcting becouse You are wrong (unless You have a overlay with compiz that does not need gnome-control-center):
acer downloads # emerge -pv compiz compiz-extra compiz-settings
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.14.7 USE="-debug -doc" 713 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.14.0 USE="X -debug -doc" 598 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-NamespaceSupport-1.09 8 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.2 4 kB
[ebuild N ] media-libs/gstreamer-0.10.12 1,799 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.6.0 USE="-debug" 466 kB
[ebuild N ] perl-core/Test-Simple-0.67 75 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/sgml-common-0.6.3-r5 75 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-util/desktop-file-utils-0.12 341 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.3 USE="-debug" 551 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.10 33 kB
[ebuild N ] virtual/perl-Storable-2.15 0 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-LibXML-Common-0.13 13 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/libcm-0.1.1 269 kB [2]
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/libxklavier-3.1 USE="-doc" 462 kB
[ebuild N ] app-admin/eselect-esd-20060719 2 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/liboil-0.3.10-r1 USE="-doc" 841 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-common-2.12.0 USE="-debug" 59 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.14.0 USE="-debug -doc" 1,852 kB
[ebuild N ] media-libs/gst-plugins-base-0.10.12 USE="X alsa oss xv -debug -esd" 1,427 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.16.0 USE="-debug -doc" 1,374 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.72.0 1,557 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-SAX-0.15-r1 58 kB
[ebuild N ] media-sound/esound-0.2.37-r1 USE="alsa tcpd -debug -ipv6" 375 kB
[ebuild N ] virtual/perl-Test-Simple-0.67 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gail-1.9.3 USE="-debug -doc" 609 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.16.3-r1 USE="gnutls hal samba ssl -avahi -debug -doc -ipv6" 1,856 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-LibXML-1.62.001-r1 226 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-wm/metacity-2.16.3 USE="xcomposite -debug -xinerama" 1,791 kB [2]
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.4-r1 94 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.1.2-r6 74 kB
[ebuild N ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10.12 0 kB
[ebuild N ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-oss-0.10.5 1,325 kB
[ebuild N ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-xvideo-0.10.12 0 kB
[ebuild N ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-x-0.10.12 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.16.0 USE="-debug -doc -esd" 988 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/gnome-doc-utils-0.8.0 USE="-debug" 403 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r2 USE="nls" 664 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.16.1 USE="-debug" 407 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-perl/XML-Simple-2.16 68 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.16.0 USE="X -debug -doc" 916 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-misc/icon-naming-utils-0.8.2 65 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.16.1 USE="jpeg -debug -doc" 1,448 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.16.3 USE="-debug -doc" 1,174 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.4-r5 USE="-debug" 357 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.16.1 USE="-debug" 2,433 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/eel-2.16.3 USE="X -debug" 658 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/nautilus-2.16.3 USE="X -beagle -debug -gnome" 4,169 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/control-center-2.16.3 USE="alsa hal -debug -eds" 1,979 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-wm/compiz-0.3.6 USE="dbus gnome kde svg -debug" 706 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-plugins/compiz-extra-0.3.6.0 USE="-debug" 621 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-apps/compiz-settings-0.07 1,125 kB
Total: 52 packages (52 new), Size of downloads: 37,087 kB