Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Apr 2007 21:29 UTC
Zeta A lot of things have happened in the past few days concerning Zeta, BeOS, and Haiku. In order to create some order in the chaos, Eugenia and I have created a rough timeline of what happened the past 6-7 years. Read on for the timeline and some more thoughts on the matter. Update: Magnusoft ceases distribution of Zeta. Update II: Access answered the questions posed in the article.
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RE[3]: some infos
by tonestone57 on Sun 8th Apr 2007 00:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: some infos"
tonestone57
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2005-12-31

@Rafael
It is hard to say what happened between Palm & yT. And Lefty is relying on any written documentation obtained from Palm. Verbal agreements hold no weight, everything has to be done through writing to be enforceable. If Bernd has signed letters, faxes or documentation from Executive / Senior Official(s) of Palm then that may help him too.

I believe Access only acquired BeOS around 12 to 18 months ago and were writing "cease & desist" letters to Bernd ( a couple were sent ). If I was the CEO of a company and got one of those letters, I would try to clear it up with the sending company right away ( but if Bernd feared the outcome was that Access would stop him from continuing in business, making & selling Zeta, then he would ignore the letters and continue on as business as usual. If you are making money, do you want someone to stop you? ). If all Access did was send letters, then why should Bernd be afraid? So, he continued on running the business.

Access is focused on Linux ( just like every other company out there; Linux is the new craze ). BeOS is Access' property since they paid for it, but is put in the vault (not used by them and they have little interest in doing anything with BeOS ). Access makes $0 ( nothing ) off of BeOS. Going after yT takes time, money and effort ( and maybe Access knew they would take a loss, because 12 to 18 months ago when Access bought BeOS, yT goes / was bankrupt ). So, hiring lawyer and going to court in Germany is not worthwhile to them, but they still do not want someone else to profit off their IP ( I am surprised they did not make an official post or press release or even contact Magnussoft sooner, but hey, maybe they thought Bernd would do the right thing and talk to them? Maybe they hoped the letters would work? Maybe they wanted to clear it up first with Bernd before taking it any further? ). Access might have even been willing to negotiate a license agreement had Bernd responded to the first letter. Corporations & companies are in business to make money so maybe something could have been worked out. But now it has gone too far and I do not think they would want to do any business with Bernd. Also, Access is mostly interested in keeping BeOS code closed sourced ( main goal ) ( because of 3rd party NDA & software in BeOS & maybe other reasons too ), but they may also ask or go after Bernd for damages.

As for Palm, I do not have a clue why they let Zeta slide. Maybe Bernd had close ties to Palm (with former BE CEO)? Or maybe Palm did not care ( thought BeOS not profitable )? For all I know, Bernd could have been paying off people at Palm? Bernd & whoever he kept in contact with at Palm would know the real reasons and relationship between yT & Palm.

I am surprised that Palm did not go after yT either, because lots of money was made in the first two years of operation. I believe Bernd said over 100,000 users @ $100 Euro each = $10,000,000 Euro (Minimum Sales Revenue). Every about 6 months a new Zeta version was released & assuming that devlopment cost was $500,000 Euro per year (you do the math).

The thing of it is that Access nor Palm have to explain why they did not go after Bernd sooner or try harder to stop him. Or even give any of their reasons or any justification. All that matters today is that Access owns BeOS and wants Bernd to prove his right to produce and distribute Zeta. That is all. And is very doubtful Bernd can prove this right, so Zeta will end up illegal or legal status will be questionable, in either case, Magnussoft is done selling Zeta.

Edited 2007-04-08 01:00

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RE[4]: some infos
by Rafael on Sun 8th Apr 2007 06:20 in reply to "RE[3]: some infos"
Rafael Member since:
2007-04-06

although SVPs changed at PalmSource it should not matter

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RE[4]: some infos
by lucky13 on Sun 8th Apr 2007 08:12 in reply to "RE[3]: some infos"
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2007-04-01

If you are making money, do you want someone to stop you?

If you're going to continue making money, don't you put the cards (licensing agreements) on the table and make sure everything's legit?

Linux is the new craze

It's neither a craze nor new.

As for Palm, I do not have a clue why they let Zeta slide.

For the same reasons you've finally seem to accept about Access: that they were going to have to spend a lot more than the whole issue was worth since Zeta would die on its own anyway.

lots of money was made in the first two years of operation

Made? Doubtful. And at the level you assume it was generating revenue, yellowTab wouldn't have gone belly up and would've been able to buy the code themselves. I think the production/sales numbers were greatly exaggerated.

Zeta will end up illegal or legal status will be questionable

Not questionable, it's settled. The owners of the IP say they weren't made aware of any deal with Bernd or anyone else when they purchased it. If one really and actually exists, they're not bound to any such agreement unless someone can establish that they knew about it. They own the code and any derivatives of it.

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RE[5]: some infos
by tonestone57 on Sun 8th Apr 2007 16:47 in reply to "RE[4]: some infos"
tonestone57 Member since:
2005-12-31

If you're going to continue making money, don't you put the cards (licensing agreements) on the table and make sure everything's legit?

Not all businesses are reputable or act in good faith, some only care about making money any way they can and getting away with it.

Linux is the new craze
It's neither a craze nor new.


Maybe not new, but definately a craze. Every company out there seems to have become involved in Linux lately. Many (almost all?) corporations, in technology sector, have embraced and are involved in Linux.

Made? Doubtful. I think the production/sales numbers were greatly exaggerated.

The price is given and the userbase was in an OSNews article ( a Bernd interview ), but could not find it. Some other posts I found, said it was 1 Million CDs Sold (but I believe they may have included free LiveCDs in that number and maybe even update CDs, which go for less, and I can not find the articles / stories to verify any of this). They might have been in the Yellowtab stories which disappeared with yellowtab.com

I'm very confident that I read it was just over 100,000, but if I'm wrong and it was 1 Million (unverified), then I'd really wonder what happened there.

Anyone know where to get the Bernd interview stating userbase or number of Zeta CDs sold for 1.0?

Not questionable, it's settled.
Not settled. If I accuse you of stealing my bike and you deny it, does it mean we settled it. I guess you must have stole my bike, because I said so. (Also for fun, lets assume I'm a reputable person and you're a shady individual. So then, you must have stole my bike because of this). No trial for you (to discover the truth), because everybody knows you stole it.

Edited 2007-04-08 16:53

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