Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 8th Apr 2007 14:23 UTC, submitted by AhmadH
Debian and its clones "The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB. Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has now been translated to 58 languages." Update: Debian 3.1r6 has also been released. Update II: Screenshots, and how to upgrade to it.
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Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by garymax on Sun 8th Apr 2007 14:32 UTC
garymax
Member since:
2006-01-23

This would ordinarily be extraordinary news; but now, Debian has been eclipsed by the Ubuntu project so this doesn't quite have the impact it used to.

Good for them though--and only 4 months delayed this time. They're improving.

Edited 2007-04-08 14:33

RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by Dirge on Sun 8th Apr 2007 14:56 in reply to "Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
Dirge Member since:
2005-07-14

I have to agree with you garymax, and I cant understand why you were modded down. I hope both distros benefit from each others existence.

Edited 2007-04-08 14:59

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RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by zizban on Sun 8th Apr 2007 15:35 in reply to "Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

You do know that Ubuntu is based on Debian? So Debian being updated will also benefit Ubuntu and other debain based distros.

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RE[2]: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by garymax on Sun 8th Apr 2007 17:21 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
garymax Member since:
2006-01-23

"""
You do know that Ubuntu is based on Debian? So Debian being updated will also benefit Ubuntu and other debain based distros.
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Truth is that Debian is always being updated in the unstable branch and in testing. Ubuntu would benefit regardless of whether the stable branch were updated or not.

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RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by Oliver on Sun 8th Apr 2007 15:41 in reply to "Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
Oliver Member since:
2006-07-15

Lol I spend about 11 years with Debian and now since two years I'm with FreeBSD. Ubuntu was never a choice in terms of quality, Ubuntu is "something" but it's not quality and it's definitely not Debian!

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RE[2]: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by BluenoseJake on Sun 8th Apr 2007 15:48 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

It's actually mostly Debian, and they commit their changes upstream, so there's some Ubuntu in Debian too.

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RE[2]: Eclipsed by Ubuntu
by garymax on Sun 8th Apr 2007 17:24 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
garymax Member since:
2006-01-23

It was never said that Ubuntu==Debian. Only that Ubuntu has eclipsed it in terms of popularity and to the point that anyone looking for a Debian-based desktop thinks Ubuntu not Debian.

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v RE[2]: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by Babi Asu on Sun 8th Apr 2007 19:13 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by jackson on Sun 8th Apr 2007 15:59 in reply to "Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
jackson Member since:
2005-06-29

For cryin' out loud. What a party crasher. Can we please celebrate the release of DEBIAN without having to make it about Ubuntu? Grr...

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RE[2]: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by Zoidberg on Sun 8th Apr 2007 17:19 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
Zoidberg Member since:
2006-02-11

Agreed, let's please stick to Debian. I'm not the least bit interested in Ubuntu and this is not the place to talk about it.

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RE[2]: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by factotum218 on Sun 8th Apr 2007 19:59 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
factotum218 Member since:
2007-03-20

I find it funny actually. It's almost as if people need to convice themselves that Ubuntu is the right thing for them without ever experiencing complete stability first hand.

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RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by butters on Sun 8th Apr 2007 22:39 in reply to "Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Debian has been eclipsed by the Ubuntu project

No, it's just that the low watermark of technology and functionality available across Debian's vast array of architectures and target audiences has been eclipsed by the high watermark of technology and functionality available for desktop users on Intel platforms.

It's a simple matter of the FOSS community working towards the goals that matter the most. So long as we have apache running on MIPS, that's pretty much sufficient. But the challenge for FOSS right now is leveraging mindshare to grow marketshare, and that means that the bar is set really high for the commodity desktop experience and for the mainstream datacenter applications. These are priorities 1 and 2 (in whatever order) right now, and there's just not enough people interested in many of the niches to keep up with the blistering pace of mainstream development.

But what kills me about Debian is that they let these niches hold up the show. Some of their architectures don't support the 2.6 kernel, ergo no NPTL, ergo no glibc-2.4+ in the stable branch. I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me. First, it seems that there should be a stable branch for each architecture. And second, if an architecture is stuck on the 2.4 kernel, then it needs its own project to support it, because the differences here are like comparing Win9x to NT.

Ubuntu was created in part because Debian was holding up the show for most of us. I'm glad that Etch was released, but for most of us it's bittersweet. Debian won't deliver the most recent collection of software that they can stabilize for our platforms or our intended applications. They'll instead give us the most recent collection of software that they can stabilize for every platform and every conceivable application. And this is an unfortunate compromise.

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RE[2]: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu
by porcel on Mon 9th Apr 2007 00:16 in reply to "RE: Ec;ipsed by Unubuntu"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

You do realize that many bugs in existing software are found thanks to debian's policy of having software work on all platforms. Even if the x86 makes up the majority of home and SMB computers, there are many other platforms out there and people like me are very thankful for Debian.

It is the only Linux distribution that works across all these platforms, which means that your skills carry over for all of them.

I just upgraded a live server that is in a different continent from sarge to etch without a single problem. I would never dare such a stunt on any other distribution. Debian provides incredible quality assurance and incredible robustness in its package management.

My only question was why after doing a dist-upgrade I had to change my sources.list from:

#deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main
#deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main

#deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main

To:

deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main
deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main

deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main

Isn't etch the new stable release and thus the above lines shouldn't have had to change?

If anybody can comment on what their etch sources.list looks like, I'd be thankful.

Thank you, Debian developers.

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