Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 10th Apr 2007 19:24 UTC, submitted by Charl P. Botha
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "This is a more critical than usual mini-review of Ubuntu Feisty beta on an HP NC8430 laptop. It practically examines some of the problems laptop users will run into when trying to run Feisty on their hardware."
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The only way...
by fretinator on Tue 10th Apr 2007 19:43 UTC
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2005-07-06

Linux will never totally work on laptops as well as Windows until the laptop is sold with Linux pre-installed by a major vendor, such as ... Dell. Otherwise, there will always be little issues here and there. A vendor could add custom tweaks and modules to make everything work. Suspend and resume are flaky because of the way drivers are written. IIRC, they are supposed to handle this, but it practice they often don't.

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RE: The only way...
by Morin on Tue 10th Apr 2007 20:22 in reply to "The only way..."
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2005-12-31

I object that it has to be a *major* vendor. Small ones could do this as well. Size doesn't always result in the better product. Especially as several such vendors can cooperate much like the developers already do. Of course, a small vendor wouldn't have the huge palette of products that Dell could offer, but a few very well-done products do the job. Apple has proven this.

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RE[2]: The only way...
by fretinator on Tue 10th Apr 2007 20:42 in reply to "RE: The only way..."
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2005-07-06

I could be wrong, but I think only a larger company would have the resources to tweak the drivers to the level they need to be as good as the windows drivers. Also, testing, support and maintenance (patches) would be involved.

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RE[2]: The only way...
by vikramsharma on Wed 11th Apr 2007 04:19 in reply to "The only way..."
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2005-07-06

People are too quick to jump the gun and blame lack of driver support on Linux. Wireless doesn't work, or a particular graphics card isn't supported or an audio card is not supported, it's job of the hardware vendor to provide the driver and not the Linux developer. The average Joe customer does not care about that, but that's a different issue. Lack of support from the hardware vendor has forced many a times the Linux developers to reverse engineer and produce crappy drivers, thanks to companies like Broadcom, ATI, etc. Apple or Microsoft have good driver support from the hardware providers hence things work without any (or I should say many) hitches.

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RE[3]: The only way...
by netpython on Wed 11th Apr 2007 09:29 in reply to "RE[2]: The only way..."
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2005-07-06

thanks to companies like Broadcom, ATI, etc. Apple or Microsoft have good driver support from the hardware providers hence things work without any (or I should say many) hitches.

Maybe you are generalising a bit.I have a hauppagge tv-card (bttv module) that's running better with tvtime on linux than with the original vendor driver under windows.

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RE: The only way...
by FreakyT on Wed 11th Apr 2007 21:45 in reply to "The only way..."
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2005-07-17

True, but if I reinstall Windows XP from scratch, and install the drivers from the manufacturer's website, it will work just as well (if not better) as it did when it had Windows preinstalled. With Linux, having vendors create modified Linux distributions for laptops would be more of a band-aid than a true solution, since it would still be impossible for the computer to work with a "normal" (that is, not the special one that came preinstalled) Linux installation. (There would be no way for the manufacturer to put an installable "Driver Pack" for Linux on their website, as they can with Windows.)

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