Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th Apr 2007 22:00 UTC, submitted by michuk
Graphics, User Interfaces "Red Hat has recently shared with the world the first ISO images of the system that is supposed to be installed on the OLPC laptops. I suddenly felt an irresistible temptation. I downloaded 291 MB ISO, burned it on a CD and started testing. Here is what I got."
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Hehehe...
by 1c3d0g on Tue 10th Apr 2007 22:33 UTC
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2005-07-06

I knew it (the "Sugar UI") would suck...why re-invent the wheel when there are other projects out there (KDE, *Box etc.) which have been doing it for over 10 years? This is wasting resources for nothing!

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RE: Hehehe...
by shykid on Tue 10th Apr 2007 22:38 in reply to "Hehehe..."
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2007-02-22

I think the OLPC developers believe that KDE, GNOME, et al. are too complicated and hard-to-learn for its target audience, third-world children that've probably never used a computer before.

IMHO, it's well suited (and already impressive) for who it's intended for, though probably not for your average OSNews reader.

Edited 2007-04-10 22:40

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RE[2]: Hehehe...
by intangible on Tue 10th Apr 2007 22:54 in reply to "RE: Hehehe..."
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2005-07-06

I think people underestimate these target children...

So instead of providing them with a standardized interface, we give them a custom one with "mystery meat" navigation (no tooltips to an icon's function) and a crippled browser (no url entry field).

So what if a standardized interface is more complex, these kids are going to have these computers for months-years potentially, leaving them stuck with a dumbed down interface for the many years they want these computers to last isn't going to help much.

Oh, and what's with the GTK theme they're using (in the abiword dialog) is that sucktastic 0.1 or something? GTK is system-wide themeable, why didn't they spend the one afternoon to make a theme to tie the GTK pieces into the Sugar pieces? Hopefully they'll do that before releasing it to the world... These things may be without internet connection for months to years at a time after deployment, the initial setup should be solid.

Since I'm griping, I'll add one more: saving as Doc instead of ODF by default?! WTH? And no terminal for when the kid does advance to the point when they want to program.... And no file-browser whatsoever?!

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RE[2]: Hehehe...
by Kroc on Tue 10th Apr 2007 23:17 in reply to "RE: Hehehe..."
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2005-11-10

I think that's the cop out answer. I started computers on a Commodore 64 and Windows 3.1. I was coding 8-bit assembly when I was 12. Children can absorb even the most complex interfaces and devices suprisingly easy. I know 7 year olds that have completed Doom.

For children to learn, you shouldn't treat them like children

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RE[2]: Hehehe...
by Soulbender on Wed 11th Apr 2007 04:51 in reply to "RE: Hehehe..."
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2005-08-18

"it's well suited (and already impressive) for who it's intended for, though probably not for your average OSNews reader."

I find this kind of thinking almost insulting to the target audience. Are kids in 3rd world countries stupider than 1st world kids and can't handle Window/OSX/GNOME/KDE? That's bullshit. Any street kid can learn to use a computer regardless of OS and I seriously doubt that it's easier with a dumbed down interface. If it really is, why not target all kids?

I guess it's a miracle we have computers at all today seeing as my generation learned computers using C64 basic, assembler and such, eh?

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