Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Apr 2007 16:35 UTC, submitted by ShlomiFish
General Development "What makes programming languages are suitable or unsuitable as introductory languages? Which languages are better learnt first and at which order? And why what the masses think is the most suitable introductory programming language is not in fact that. This paper examines several approaches to which programming language is the best, and afterwards gives several useful relations for which languages should come first. Finally it gives a final verdict, defends it and then gives some other good food for thought."
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RE: My issues with this article
by japh on Thu 12th Apr 2007 11:25 UTC in reply to "My issues with this article"
japh
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2005-11-11

"Perl and python should not be taught because they are literally scripting languages!"

Define "scripting languages".
You have a language that can be compiled to an executable (or Java .class files and whatever the .Net version is called) and doesn't rely on calling external programs for every little thing.

So what is really the reason not to teach it? Because you categorized it as a "scripting language" and put it in a group with bash/awk?

Feel free to argue against Python/Ruby/Perl because of dynamic typig, performance, standard libraries or readbility. Just writing them off as "scripting languages" just makes it look like you haven't even tried them.

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urbanRealist Member since:
2005-12-31

If I write a complicated program in a scripting language, I spend most of my time trying to find the typo in the variable name. Compilers make learning how to program MUCH easier.

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japh Member since:
2005-11-11

"I spend most of my time trying to find the typo in the variable name."
You do?
Then you obviously didn't write Perl, where 'use strict;' will force you to declare variables before using them. I usually use an environment that'll help me with the variables, like eclipse/pydev. Sure, it's a little less helpful than for Java due to the dynamic nature of Python, but it'll find most things for me.

I too struggle with writing complicated things in what some people call "scripting languages", but the difficult ones are bash/awk and the likes, not the dynamically typed languages like Perl/Python/Ruby. Misspelled variable names are very rarely a problem in those.
But that might just be me.

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