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New Hardware
by jello on Thu 12th Apr 2007 16:49 UTC
jello
Member since:
2006-08-08

I know this project involves a lot of work, but at a certain point in time it needs to run on every x86 hardware.

The Syllable team members are claiming that this OS should become a desktop os for everyday use.
But it doesn't run on newer hardware like my compaq notebook.

I'm not talking about that Syllable should have drivers for every new hardware. I'm talking about to fall back on simple VESA video modes or harddrive drivers that work out of the box.

If you want that Syllable is taken serious it should at least run on every hardware. And if all fails, it should at least run in some sort of safe mode.
Even freedos works on my notebook.

Please take my input as encouragement to get around some hardware issues with a clever designed safe mode.

Thanks

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RE: New Hardware
by Mike Pavone on Thu 12th Apr 2007 18:44 in reply to "New Hardware"
Mike Pavone Member since:
2006-06-26

The Syllable team members are claiming that this OS should become a desktop os for everyday use.
But it doesn't run on newer hardware like my compaq notebook.

I'm not talking about that Syllable should have drivers for every new hardware. I'm talking about to fall back on simple VESA video modes or harddrive drivers that work out of the box.


Syllable does fall back to VESA drivers if it can't find a suitable display driver, but that's not a magical solution to all compatability problems. PC hardware is incredibly diverse and often times quirky so it can be quite difficult to provide even a decent "failsafe" configuration. Also, like all software Syllable is not without bugs.

FreeDOS has a much easier problem to solve in regards to working on all common x86 hardware. DOS is a 16-bit OS that in many places is just a thin wrapper for the standard BIOS calls. Syllable does much more and as such achieving full compatibility is a lot more challenging. That said, it is something that is being worked on.

If you want some help in getting Syllable running on your specific machine you can post on the Syllable message board ( http://www.syllable.org/forum.php ) or file a bug in the bug tracker ( http://development.syllable.org/BugDar/index.php ).

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RE: New Hardware
by Vanders on Thu 12th Apr 2007 19:00 in reply to "New Hardware"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

But it doesn't run on newer hardware like my compaq notebook.

It should run on your Compaq notebook. If it doesn't, there is almost certainly a specific bug that needs to be fixed. Have you checked our bug tracker and reported your problem? That's really the only way they'll get fixed, because otherwise we wont know about them!

If you want that Syllable is taken serious it should at least run on every hardware.

You make it sound so simple.

Syllable does support a very wide range of hardware and generally does work on new but not bleeding-edge hardware. For example I have an Intel 945G system under my desk at the moment. 90% of the hardware on it is supported with specific drivers in Syllable, including the PCI-E GeForceFX 7200, HDA audio and SATA controller. I wont deny there are some bugs, but I always try to fix them and update any drivers a I find them.

There are also some general bugs that a lot of people run in to:

o Syllable can not boot on systems with 2GB or more of memory.
o Some ATA bugs remain (And some are already fixed in CVS, so if you're having trouble here it may be fixed in a weekly development build)
o There are some ACPI and SMP bugs that remain to be fixed, but these are not that common.

I believe on balance that Syllable boots on more hardware than it fails on, and where it does boot the hardware is well supported. We'll fix the remaining issues as we go along, and more importantly, as we find them.

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