Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 10th Jul 2005 12:01 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft surprised many of the attendees at its annual worldwide partner show here this weekend by allowing a third party to present a "hands-on lab" that allowed attendees to play with a range of Linux desktop software. Is Microsoft toning down on its anti-Linux campaign?
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What you have shown in this thread is that you are afraid of Linux losing. It hasn't made a dent in MS profits in last few years. When someone tells a problem in Linux, you guys defend it. Well do it. And hey everyone can do a typing mistake, i meant PIII, is that such a big deal?

Gosh you are so narrow minded. Over and over i see this attitude of Linux guys trying to tell why linux is better. Ok Linux is better, its great, its the best, there is no need for any improvements.

Now for my last post, i will repeat the points i made so that you don't misguide people that i changed my tunes etc

1. I said Linux is competing on cost not quality. Lets reprice Linux to sell at same price as windows and see who wins.

2. Then i asked, if Linux is so much better, why it is not even at 5% desktop market? This matches point 1 that i don't think Linux on desktop has enough quality to gain broader acceptance

3. Then i gave my personal experience of how windows RDP is faster than Remote X over XDMCP. Again people say your machine must be bad. ok, well whatever. See this (i guess i am not alone who faced this problem)
http://www.webservertalk.com/archive119-2004-4-178552.html

I don't know how you feel i was changing tunes but whatever makes you feel better. I still feel that Linux has a longggg way before it can be widely accepted.

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Thanks for restating your points, I'll summarize my refutations as well.

1. I said Linux is competing on cost not quality. Lets reprice Linux to sell at same price as windows and see who wins.

I say Linux is competing on both. Its quality is on par with Windows (better in some instances), and its price is usually lower (given the fact that you have free distributions). Some people indicated that professional versions of RH are quite pricey, and yet Red Hat keeps selling them...

In any case, not many Windows user actually buy the OS - it comes pre-installed on their PC so to them it's already free (i.e. the cost is hidden in the price of the PC). So Linux and Windows, for all practical purposes, are already competing on the same level as far as price is concerned for the majority of desktop users.

2. Then i asked, if Linux is so much better, why it is not even at 5% desktop market? This matches point 1 that i don't think Linux on desktop has enough quality to gain broader acceptance

And I demonstrated with the OSX example that market share isn't related to quality. Must we bring up VHS vs. BetaMax once again?

It's quite simple: the best technology doesn't always win out in the market. In this case, the reason why MS has such a huge market share is because of OS and Office file format lock-in - in other words, monopolistic practices.

3. Then i gave my personal experience of how windows RDP is faster than Remote X over XDMCP. Again people say your machine must be bad. ok, well whatever. See this (i guess i am not alone who faced this problem)
http://www.webservertalk.com/archive119-2004-4-178552.html


That's all you could come up with? A post from a forum where one person was having trouble with XDMCP under RH9, while stating that it used to work very well before?

I'm sorry, but this goes contrary to my own experience, and the fact that all you could find to support your argument was this only makes my case stronger.

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Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

"What you have shown in this thread is that you are afraid of Linux losing."

Oh that's original. You just plagiarized what I said and twisted it to your own ends.

"Gosh you are so narrow minded."

Everyone here tried to point out your mistakes, first in a kind and friendly matter, and then just as they would have replied to a troll. Wondering why? Well, basically you are a troll, we corrected you over and over again and you continued to restate the same lies. We tried being nice, you wouldn't even read our replies, you were the one being narrow minded.

"Now for my last post"

YESS! :-)

"1. I said Linux is competing on cost not quality. Lets reprice Linux to sell at same price as windows and see who wins.

2. Then i asked, if Linux is so much better, why it is not even at 5% desktop market? This matches point 1 that i don't think Linux on desktop has enough quality to gain broader acceptance "


We went over these things, you weren't reading the replies (again).

"3. Then i gave my personal experience of how windows RDP is faster than Remote X over XDMCP. Again people say your machine must be bad. ok, well whatever. See this (i guess i am not alone who faced this problem)
http://www.webservertalk.com/archive119-2004-4-178552.html "


That shouldn't be adressed to me, I never got involved in that part.

"I don't know how you feel i was changing tunes but whatever makes you feel better. I still feel that Linux has a longggg way before it can be widely accepted."

You're just one person, and if you get kicks out of being a troll here at OSNews then Linux is better off without you at this point. You will find things much easier when you are ready to be serious and honest, and are willing to listen to others when you're wrong.

You almost sound like you're convinced you weren't trolling, if you have any doubts just go over the thread a few times. Everyone here contributed a little to try and show you how you were wrong, and you refused to believe it plus you restated your arguments at least a few times when you realized you weren't getting anywhere. When you finally couldn't win you resorted to name calling, sounds to me like the troll ended up getting angry in the end.

I got a good laugh out of that insult in your last message by the way, it's ironic that you were trolling and you ended up getting mad in the end.

One of these days you might look back on this experience and be glad it happened, assuming of course you're one of those people who will grow out of trolling. I think all kids end up going through something like this when they first start using the internet, and if they're lucky enough they learn not to make the same mistake again before reaching adulthood.

After reading this you'll probably get angry, think I'm patronising you and reply angrily, but if you do that you'll only prove what I just finished saying. Read it, think it over, and try to let some of it sink in.

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netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

1. I said Linux is competing on cost not quality. Lets reprice Linux to sell at same price as windows and see who wins.

Well on the server market Linux is gaining terrain quickly.Especially most of the Linux participants there don't come as already said by most posters for free.On the contrary when you see the Redhat and SuSE server line products they are quite equivalent priced to say the least.Still subscriptions for both mentioned are still increasing.

Both SuSE and Redhat take security,especially on the server market very serious.Where MS relies on third party software vendors to make their OS more secure and de facto usable as server,both Redhat and SuSE offer all-in-one solutions.Furthermore besides ISA server what does and the crippled /GS compiler switch what does MS have come up with in the security context?Does it offer something similar to SELinux,AppArmor?

Going from NT to w2k on both workstation and server was quite something especially the AD which replaced NT's flat hierarchy.After that nothing really impressive has happened on both desktop and server.I personally think the times of buying bare OS's are over.Companies like the ideas of a all-in-one deal better instead of spending even more on extra licenses zillion of extra software to make w2k/w3k somewhat more usable.Those companies aren't reluctant to spend money on the contrary,they just seek to be more restrictive with resources.In this context what's better than Linux,*BSD,*NIX who bring most of what costs some great deal extra in a MS environment.

Agreed when migrating from a existing MS to a (native) Linux,*BSD,UNIX environment isn't always feasible but most of the time migrating to a mixed environment can save a lot of resource's (money,time,maintaining..).

As far as the server market is concerned Linux,*NIX has always been server-ready from day one.

Growing on the desktop "market" would go much faster if there was more documentation of now proprietary drivers,codecs,apps available,and the current patent circus wouldn't throw sand in eatchothers machinery.Fortunately Europe showed some intelligent muscle by disavowing the patent law.

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