Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Apr 2007 22:13 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Vassilis 'vasper' Perantzakis, of BeOS Max Edition fame, has announced that he will start work on WalterOS, the Haiku-based version of BeOS Max. "All code developed for this OS will be given to Haiku with the same MIT license 1 month after release at the latest. 50% of all income generated for us from any activity related to this OS (selling of CD and possibly memorabilia) will be donated to Haiku. Donations will not be accepted, please donate to Haiku." The name is not final yet, so feel free to add your own proposals.
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RE[3]: Good, but
by ormandj on Fri 13th Apr 2007 00:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Good, but"
ormandj
Member since:
2005-10-09

Vasper was given unofficial ok from David S, from Access, for BeOS MAX.
http://www.beosmax.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=614#614

Access is mainly concerned with those:
#1 Profiting off BeOS derivative
#2 Anything relating to BeOS source code ( using, modifying, access to and open sourcing ).

Since BeOS MAX is free, & uses BeOS binaries instead of BeOS source code, Access ( or at least David S, from Access ) are ok with BeOS MAX being distributed. So, unlikely they would accuse it of being illegal ( even with no official agreement in place ) or even go after Vasper ( ie: Access has nothing to lose anyways because BeOS isn't being developed by them ( Vasper isn't stealing business from them ) and BeOS is just stored away somewhere at Access, not even being used ).


I did see that, but it's still questionable. Unless Vasper got a signed legal document saying "it's ok", it's risky business. Not to mention, I don't think he wants the association with Zeta anymore, and I cannot blame him for that. Of course, I do not speak for him, his logic may be entirely different. :-)

Come on, Luposian has only filed about 200 bug reports so far on this issue :-)
He still has another 800 to go to reach 1,000.


Haha. The other day, somebody of "importance" (I won't name drop) gave good ole' Lupo a really detailed and clear explanation of what was going on, in hopes that he would stop submitting it as a bug/posting on OSNews about it being a bug. I wonder how well that has worked. :p The guy seemed like a little kid (Lupo) but from what I understand, he's in his 30s and just very excited about the possibility of having a running Haiku. Too excited!

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RE[4]: Good, but
by tonestone57 on Fri 13th Apr 2007 01:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Good, but"
tonestone57 Member since:
2005-12-31

Hang on, I heard that there was a license agreement with either BE or Palm and the NDA did not allow discussing it, so,... oh wait, that was another story on here. I was just confused. :-)

You're right. Without signed legal document from Access, then BeOS is "officially" considered illegal. Now, David S gave the green light, so "unofficially" is saying it is ok to proceed, though this in no way means MAX is legal. ( though it may mean BeOS MAX is "unoffically" legal, but not very sure on that ).

But, it is very doubtful Access cares about MAX and would not a) publicly accuse BeOS MAX of being illegal or b) go after Vasper ( take legal action ), because Access will not gain anything, even if MAX is of illegal status. ( and MAX is not using Access IP to gain financially, like some other OS I know of ).

Since David S gave the go ahead, I would have no problem using or recommending MAX. Those that purchased Zeta can use that. The rest of us either have to use Haiku, which isn't ready, BeOS MAX, which should work for most or not use BeOS at all ( sit & wait ).

Luposian is SUPER exited. I'm glad to see he loves Haiku & BeOS so much. And if he hasn't already, should report his issue to http://www.haiku-os.org instead of on OSNEWS and eventually it'll get fixed, by R1 or maybe sooner.

Edited 2007-04-13 02:15

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RE[5]: Good, but
by Luposian on Sat 14th Apr 2007 19:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Good, but"
Luposian Member since:
2005-07-27

"Luposian is SUPER exited. I'm glad to see he loves Haiku & BeOS so much. And if he hasn't already, should report his issue to http://www.haiku-os.org instead of on OSNEWS and eventually it'll get fixed, by R1 or maybe sooner."

Thanks for the appreciation. It's nice to see someone can see the value of my "persistent enthusiasm". But, since it ("the unmentionable") is already known about and I have brought it to an even greater attention (which was my purpose all along; it wasn't my intention to be an annoying PITA, but I am willing to BE one, if it means something I believe needs heavier attention, finally gets it.), I think the echo created from my ranting shall insure NO ONE forgets this matter anytime soon...

Even if it's only brought up as "an inside joke" every now and again.

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RE[4]: Good, but
by Luposian on Sat 14th Apr 2007 18:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Good, but"
Luposian Member since:
2005-07-27

"Haha. The other day, somebody of "importance" (I won't name drop) gave good ole' Lupo a really detailed and clear explanation of what was going on, in hopes that he would stop submitting it as a bug/posting on OSNews about it being a bug. I wonder how well that has worked. :p The guy seemed like a little kid (Lupo) but from what I understand, he's in his 30s and just very excited about the possibility of having a running Haiku. Too excited!"

Wasn't THAT an evening to remember. I really enjoyed it. Quite a lesson in details. I may return to the newsgroup again sometime. I think my "exhuberant enthusiasm" is something we "Haiku'ers" could all use a bit more of.

But I'll say this... Hugo Santos is REALLY coming out of the gate with a roar. That guy codes like... well, like Axel Dorfler... on SPEED! I don't even think Axel has made as many day-in/day-out commits as Hugo's been making. I think there are at least 3-5 commits EVERY SINGLE DAY! Either Hugo's got the same level of passion about Haiku as I have and has the coding skills to BACK it, or Axel is an excellent Mentor and really driving him with vigor.

Either way... we all win.

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