Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Apr 2007 22:12 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Even more Haiku news today. Oliver Ruiz Dorantes, who will be monitoring GSoC student Salvatore Benedetto coming summer, has started work on what will become an office suite for Haiku. His blog already shows the first screenshots of the project. He is seeking for help on the project, so if you have the experience, feel free t help him out. Also, a new batch of icons has been added to Haiku.
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Why not
by sogabe on Wed 18th Apr 2007 02:24 UTC
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This does not have to compete with OpenOffice or AbiWord. Instead, it can be in the realm of minimalistic yet useful application.

If somebody is willing to spend the time putting together a decent native word processor program for Haiku with basic functionality that would allow users to write simple letters and/or documents without the bloat, I am all for it!

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RE: Why not
by ThawkTH on Wed 18th Apr 2007 02:33 in reply to "Why not"
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Anybody love the idea of a Native BeOS office suite?

Not X11
Not QT

Nothing of the sort. A completely new, capable little suite - quick, logical, and efficient...Something that betrays itself with it's simplicity...?

Hey, I can dream. We can dream. Wasn't that long ago that Haiku was just a dream! And look how far it's come!

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RE[2]: Why not
by CPUGuy on Wed 18th Apr 2007 12:55 in reply to "RE: Why not"
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Ever here of GoBe Productive?

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RE[2]: Why not
by tonestone57 on Wed 18th Apr 2007 15:14 in reply to "RE: Why not"
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Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see Haiku "native" software & drivers. I'm sure everybody wants this.

A Haiku office suite, web browser, drivers, etc., would be great. But, the reality is, how long before Haiku Office is as good as Abiword or is even released for use? Maybe 2 or more years?

What about web browser that is close to functionality as Firefox? When will that be done? Or native wifi drivers? Or ...., etc.

Using ports is the best way to get the OS fully functional in the shortest time. So, when R1 comes out we can have up to date ports & a fully working OS which will attract more end users. Example: Zeta used ndis wrapper (window wifi drivers), Cups (Unix Printer Support) & BeSane (Unix Scanner Support). If they decided to go for native instead then how long before most users got support for their printer, scanner & wifi cards???? Answer, many years. And, would anyone have even bothered with Zeta without these ports?

I'd rather have an OS with most things working right now ( through ports ) than one where I'm waiting, waiting and waiting for the native solution to appear some years down the road.

Ports are the fastest way to get things going and afterwards they can be replaced with native solutions once available.

As for the Haiku native office suite. It'll be great to have when it's done, but in the meantime users will have to use either older Abiword 1.0 "port" or purchase Gobe Office ( made for BeOS ) - luckily we have these 2 options available to us. So, I suggested Abiword 2.4 because it is about 85% ported to BeOS & could be finished before R1 gets released so users have a more modern word processor to use with Haiku until a native one is done. Same thing goes for web browser. Use Firefox until a comparable native replacement is made., etc., etc.

Ports are the better solution until as good as or better native solutions come along!

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RE: Why not
by lucky13 on Wed 18th Apr 2007 18:41 in reply to "Why not"
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Instead, it can be in the realm of minimalistic yet useful application.

I hate the Mac-PC ads, but your reply reminds me of the one when Mac talks about how many apps come with Macs so they're useful out of the box and then PC stupidly brags about coming with a calculator. Woohoo...

Haiku will not have widespread adoption until and unless users can do everything as easily, as well, as completely, etc., as they can using their current OSes. In fact, I'll go further. Haiku won't expand much further than the hobbyists who are already enthralled with its "promise" right now unless it can exceed -- not merely match, but beat the bleeping socks off -- application offerings (qualitatively and quantitatively) of other OSes. No killer app, no future. Why would people ditch what they already have in 2007 and take a step back to 1987 or even 1997?

If you want a simple, bloat-free wordprocessor, try porting ted. It's X11-based, but its source tarball is about 3MB. Certainly would be easier than totally reinventing the wheel -- but that's what Haiku is all about, eh.

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RE[2]: Why not
by Richard-LA on Wed 18th Apr 2007 19:48 in reply to "RE: Why not"
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Widespread adoption is a bad goal to have early on and very unrealistic; you end up trying to be all things to all people and get nowhere.

I hope the Haiku focus is to evolve to be the choice OS for a small and particular niche of professionals -- those developing media content, especially video content. It could be the OS of choice for indy film developers with just a few good apps.

Success breeds more success; find a niche and succeed, and other good things will follow.

Hats off to anyone willing to put time and energy into creating an app for Haiku; even if it doesn't finish, if there is a good design then objects from the source can be used elsewhere. It will be a good learning experience at the worst.

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RE[2]: Why not
by El-Al on Wed 18th Apr 2007 20:33 in reply to "RE: Why not"
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Who mentioned widespread adoption/world domination in this thread regarding Haiku?

As you know, the BeOS 'philosophy' was all about ease of use. Talk to me about the 'ease' of configuring certain parts of any GNU/Linux distribution you care to mention. Talk to me about stability, reliability issues, re-installing Windows, failed Linux installs etc.

To my knowledge, there is not an x86 OS out there that fits your description of OS 'nirvana' unless, of course, you happen to be absorbed by fixing computers that don't work properly or have the neccessary skills to do so without thinking about it.

What you fail to mention is that one persons nirvana is anothers sh*tpit. In other word, my computing needs are different from yours. Linux...tried it, Windows, dislike it with avengeance. OSX...will never own a Mac.

Now, if 'hobbyists' like myself, wish to root for an OS like Haiku, complete with it's miniscule userbase, for a lack of satisfaction with the rest of the OS offerings out there, then Ok, I just don't see your problem. If you don't have an, interest, why even respond to the thread with nothing but sour grapes?

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RE[3]: Why not
by lucky13 on Wed 18th Apr 2007 22:46 in reply to "RE: Why not"
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why even respond to the thread with nothing but sour grapes?

You tell me -- your post is the one dripping with vinegar. I *did* offer a constructive idea in using GPL code as a base rather than reinventing the word processor wheel.

As far as your screed about configuring Linux distros, I'd be more than happy to recommend several that even a BeOS user could run (and fwiw, I've never had a "failed" Linux install). Wouldn't that be off-topic, though? :-)

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