Linked by Neeraj Singh on Mon 23rd Apr 2007 19:02 UTC
Windows If you shout something loud enough and many people are saying it, does it become true? Some groups of people (include tech journalists and Linux advocates, such as Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols) have a psychological need to find Vista lacking. Mr. V-N has predicted that Vista will have all manner of problems, so his clear interest is to point out everything that is wrong with the OS. Who cares if he has to even make some stuff up?
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alexandru_lz
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2007-02-11

Damn, this sounds almost like Get-The-Facts. I don't really like SJVN's articles either, but some of the points he brought up are quite fair. For instance:

* It's not my case, but I do know people who change their date and time quite frequently for the simple fact that they travel abroad with their laptops and they don't always have immediately-available Internet connections. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty fair point, and I'm sure this is the kind of people who would complain about a poorly designed Date&Time window.

* There are a lot of people who do need a serial driver. I, for one, need one that works well because I often used the serial port for development reasons (e.g. interfacing with SBCs). I realize that Microsoft doesn't really care about what their customers need, but "there aren't *THAT* many people who need serial ports" is a very lousy excuse.

* I do prefer to shut down my computers when I have to, for a lot of reasons. When my hdd is getting claustrophobic, the last thing I need is Vista taking up some space to hibernate. If I know I won't be working on my laptop for several days, I don't want it to sleep for even a second (I don't care about "saving some battery power" -- if it consumes even the smallest amount, it's not good for me), I don't want it to hibernate (for hdd space reasons), I want it to shut down for good. Even if I didn't have any practical reasons for prefering to shut down my computer over sleeping/hibernating, I still wouldn't care. What I do with my computer is my choice, and I could hardly care less about what the Vista development team thinks I should do with it. "Vista is slow to boot and shut down but you won't need that anyway" is another poor excuse.

Pointing a finger at Linux advocates for not knowing the technical details of the OS-es they don't use is a bit too much. Linux advocates know about Windows just as much as Windows advocates know about Linux. Besides the fanboy-ism which you'll obviously find in any camp, most of the fair points which were brought up against Vista before it was released really stood up.

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PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Who said that serial ports do not work anymore? I don't have one, so I couldn't test anything myself... that was my primary point there. Now, the issue that Lance had with his Wacom tablet was in the Wacom driver and there was an easy solution for it found by googling.

If you travel, you change time zones... this is different from changing the system time (which affects the timestamps put on files on the hard drives and appointments on your calendar and stuff). Time zones can be changed by any user (maybe not Guests). I just tested this on Vista and it works... have you done any even rudimentary checks before writing your response?

I don't think bootup is that sluggish. I was responding to the question in Mary Jo Foley's blog entry about hibernate and sleep "masking" a sluggish bootup. My response is that bootup is pretty reasonable, and hibernate and sleep are much faster. If you really don't have space or battery, don't use the faster means.

Edited 2007-04-23 21:06

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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Linux advocates know about Windows just as much as Windows advocates know about Linux.
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It all depends upon who you are talking about, of course. But I would wager that Linux advocates, in general, know more about Windows than Windows advocates know about Linux.

I suspect that the average Linux advocate knows more about Windows than a significant portion of the Windows advocates.

I would further generalize, and say that the average user of any Non-Microsoft OS knows quite a bit more about Windows than the average Windows user, simply out of necessity.

Note that I did switch around a bit between "advocate" and "average user" there. And nowhere did I address that class of multi-platform aware people that OSNews attracts. So be careful to note that I am not calling eclectically educated Windows advocates stupid. :-)

Edited 2007-04-23 22:37

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alexandru_lz Member since:
2007-02-11

PlatformAgnostic, I have seen the serial driver performing badly on some systems myself. It was around the time I read SJVN's article and (having some problems digesting his articles myself) and I was convinced it was not Windows-related, but it does happen to work perfectly well with Linux.

My problem with Windows and timezones (and why I'd rather change the time than the timezone) is related to what timezone really means. I'm not sure if this is leftover in Vista, but it's a habit I've had since Windows 98 I think, and which remained in 2000 and XP. The notion of "timezone" is strictly related to time (something I got used to from *nixes), but when I change my timezone in Windows, it also understands that I am changing my location as well -- so that it changes my local currency, decimal commas into dots and so on, which I simply don't want.

As far as I'm concerned, I was never bothered with boot times because I actually caught not just the days when it took a few seconds to boot into BASIC but also about two minutes to boot a crawling OS on slow hardware. However, remember that Microsoft promised incredibly fast boot times. To whom were they promising that, I do not know, but any Gentoo or FreeBSD user will laugh at anything longer than 15 seconds.

Don't get me wrong, SJVN (and MJF, in some aspects) really *should* open their minds -- what I really mean to say is that much of Microsoft's advertising is seriously inflated. Not that it would be a solitary practice the likes of Apple don't do -- but it still holds. I don't think there was a single piece of software not to be unfairly criticized.

But if you look at many of the points that were brought even before Vista got final, you'll see how most of the criticism comes from users of other platforms. I didn't trust them too much either (the same happened with Windows XP a few years ago). I did manage to understand these critics because I haven't used Windows consistently myself, and next to none of Vista's "novelties" were anything new to me.

Nevertheless, this doesn't justify unfair criticism, which is something about which I agree with you :-).

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