Linked by Neeraj Singh on Mon 23rd Apr 2007 19:02 UTC
Windows If you shout something loud enough and many people are saying it, does it become true? Some groups of people (include tech journalists and Linux advocates, such as Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols) have a psychological need to find Vista lacking. Mr. V-N has predicted that Vista will have all manner of problems, so his clear interest is to point out everything that is wrong with the OS. Who cares if he has to even make some stuff up?
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RE[2]: Vista is garbage
by Supreme Dragon on Mon 23rd Apr 2007 23:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Vista is garbage"
Supreme Dragon
Member since:
2007-03-04

"Who will be switching?"

People who think they own their computer, not MS.

"Let's face it unless either Linux gets native Office and Adobe suite (or their open source equivalents improve astronomically)"

OpenOffice and GIMP are good enough for the vast majority of users, for the rest there is CrossOver or Wine.

"Apple lets Dell and HP sell OS X boxes"

Apple will gain marketshare, but they would get much more if they did let Dell and HP sell OS X boxes.

"there is nothing that will seriously threaten Microsoft's dominance on the desktop over next 18 month"

Vista is the biggest threat to Microsoft's dominance on the desktop. Abusing customers will send them fleeing to alternative products.

"And 18 month is plenty of time for MS to sort out any problems there might be."

The Drm/activation/WGA, high prices, bad EULA and absurd system requirements will still be there in 18 months.

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RE[3]: Vista is garbage
by dagw on Tue 24th Apr 2007 13:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Vista is garbage"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

OpenOffice and GIMP are good enough for the vast majority of users[i]

I disagre. Gimp doesn't have the high end features to compete with photoshop and it doesn't have the ease of use to compete with low end consumer packages. And I'm saying that as a gimp user.

[i]The Drm/activation/WGA, high prices, bad EULA and absurd system requirements will still be there in 18 months.


We'll see. If there is a genuine revolt against DRM and WGA that threatens their market share, there is nothing stopping microsoft from reworking them in a servicepack. That being said I doubt most people are that bothered by the two as most people here are. As for the system requirement in 18 month they'll be positivly low end.

Look I love Linux, and don't like Vista in the slightest. I'm however not letting that stop me from being realistic.

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RE[3]: Vista is garbage
by BluenoseJake on Tue 24th Apr 2007 16:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Vista is garbage"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Actually, if more companies jump on EMI's bandwagon andd start selling DRM free music and Movies, there may not be DRM in Vista in 18 Months.

Vista's activation is nothing, it neither gets in the way or is restrictive, it is no less annoying then XP's.

The System requirements are in no way absurd, the same bullsh*t was spouted when XP came out, and Win2k. Vista ran just dandy on my Athlon XP 2800/1G ram, and it runs acceptably on mY 1G Celeron with 756. Even with Aero running. and Firefox, OpenOffice, Gaim and thunderbird all running, it still ran ok.

OK, the prices are high, I'll give you that.

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RE[4]: Vista is garbage
by Supreme Dragon on Tue 24th Apr 2007 16:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Vista is garbage"
Supreme Dragon Member since:
2007-03-04

"Actually, if more companies jump on EMI's bandwagon andd start selling DRM free music and Movies, there may not be DRM in Vista in 18 Months."

MS removing DRM from Vista........not likely.

"Vista's activation is nothing, it neither gets in the way or is restrictive, it is no less annoying then XP's."

Activation does nothing to stop pirates, while annoying paying customers.

"The System requirements are in no way absurd, the same bullsh*t was spouted when XP came out, and Win2k."

The system requirement increase for XP to Vista is MUCH more than the increase for 98 to XP. Linux is MUCH faster than Vista. Vista is a slow, bloated, drm infected mess, that will give Linux significant marketshare gains. Apple will probably get a marketshare increase also.

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RE[4]: Vista is garbage
by griffinme on Tue 24th Apr 2007 18:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Vista is garbage"
griffinme Member since:
2005-11-09

"OpenOffice and GIMP are good enough for the vast majority of users, for the rest there is CrossOver or Wine."

Your being delusional. I am a fan of Open Source (pats his LAMP box) but to think GIMP is the equal of Photoshop is like saying a Buick is on par with a Rolls. You might wish it was but it just ain't so. I even like the way OOo handles databases better then Access and how much cleaner Writer is then Word. We get submissions for our site in Word format we open and clean them up in OOo first and then they go to FCKedit. But I don't think it ready to be a straight up replacement for Office.

And don't give me "but they are free." That is what you are competing against. Your competing with free. You have to make them better then free Windows and free Photoshop. Bill G knows this. It isn't just because he is a nice guy that he is practically giving away Win/Office in China($3 a copy). You may notice lots of requirements to keep people from pirating Windows. Yet you don't for O2k7. Why? Because you need Windows to run that free copy of Office.

I am not condoning piracy. I am pointing out market facts.

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RE[5]: Vista is garbage
by Supreme Dragon on Tue 24th Apr 2007 18:22 in reply to "RE[4]: Vista is garbage"
Supreme Dragon Member since:
2007-03-04

"Your being delusional. I am a fan of Open Source (pats his LAMP box) but to think GIMP is the equal of Photoshop is like saying a Buick is on par with a Rolls."

I did not say it was equal, I said it was good enough for the vast majority of users. Most people don't need the extra features that Photoshop offers. They also don't need MS office, OpenOffice can easily do the job for most people.

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