Linked by Neeraj Singh on Mon 23rd Apr 2007 19:02 UTC
Windows If you shout something loud enough and many people are saying it, does it become true? Some groups of people (include tech journalists and Linux advocates, such as Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols) have a psychological need to find Vista lacking. Mr. V-N has predicted that Vista will have all manner of problems, so his clear interest is to point out everything that is wrong with the OS. Who cares if he has to even make some stuff up?
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archiesteel
Member since:
2005-07-02

I care that I had to buy a cheap PC today for my ex's parents, and that I couldn't get a single one with XP at the local Future Shop. I didn't have time to shop around, unfortunately, so I had to pick one up with Vista.

I care that it took two and a half hour to reinstall it in French (while installing a language pack in Linux takes less than a minute). I care that it is extremely sluggish for a 512MB system, while it could really fly with a lighter system on it.

I care that it took two minutes and 25 seconds to boot into a working Vista desktop, while it took two minutes and 10 seconds booting into Kubuntu 7.04...from a live CD! I also care that the system was more responsive from the LiveCD for simple tasks (like exploring files, surfing the web, moving windows around and the like).

I care that I didn't have access to the Samba shares on my LAN because the new PC came with Home Basic. Or maybe you can, but I couldn't find it because they changed the control panel UIs again.

This was my first contact with Vista. I've installed and used a large variety of MS OSes in my time: Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 2000 and XP. This was by far the most disappointing one (then again, I never installed ME). Sure, some great engineers work for MS, and they have my respect. That still doesn't make Vista a great Windows release. For starters, all the backwards compatibility cruft are making it incredibly bloated.

Look at it this way: if it was such a great product, there wouldn't be *that* much negative opinions about it. The engineers may not be to blame (I personally think the responsibility lies above them), but that doesn't change the basic fact: the "Wow" is elsewhere.

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PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

512 MB is too little RAM for Vista. Maybe if you turn Aero off, it might be okay, but I don't think anyone (besides Microsoft) will tell you that 512 is enough. I'm not going to defend the indefensible.

I also don't think the language situation is perfect. But if you needed the OS in French, why was it in English in the first place? This doesn't help you, but enterprises can get multilingual packs that can be installed on a per-user basis... you also get these if you buy Ultimate edition. If not, I guess you're consigned to reinstalling the OS.

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

512 MB is too little RAM for Vista. Maybe if you turn Aero off, it might be okay, but I don't think anyone (besides Microsoft) will tell you that 512 is enough. I'm not going to defend the indefensible.


Well, obviously HP and Future Shop believe that 512MB is enough, since they sell the systems. As I said, FS no longer sold any systems with XP (none from other OEMs either). How is the average consumer supposed to know that the *new* PC he's buying is not powerful enough to adequately run the OS it's shipped with?

The bigger point, of courses, is that Vista *should* be able to run on 512 MB. 512MB, while not that much, is still quite a lot of memory. XP runs very well on such a system - I find it mind-boggling that MS, with all its talented engineer, wasn't able to produce an advanced OS that could run with that amount of memory.

I was almost tempted to leave the Kubuntu LiveCD in the CD-ROM tray and not tell my ex's parents...

I also don't think the language situation is perfect. But if you needed the OS in French, why was it in English in the first place?


Um, because that's what they were selling at the store? Hey, I know some of this criticism is not MS's responsibility, it's the OEM's and the store's, but what is the average consumer going to think? He's going to be staring at his computer screen for two and a half hours, wondering why it takes so long (why *does* it take so long, incidentally? It takes less than 20 minutes to install the whole Kubuntu OS...). Oh, and after these two and a half hours, it's another forty-five minutes of updates before you have a completely ready system...great!

There's no real engineering reason to require a reinstall if you want a different language...it's a business reason, and these are what plague Windows the most, in my view. It'd be a great OS if it was open-sourced, and didn't have to serve to maintain MS's revenue stream. I won't even mention the times when you need more than one language on the same computer...

This doesn't help you, but enterprises can get multilingual packs that can be installed on a per-user basis... you also get these if you buy Ultimate edition. If not, I guess you're consigned to reinstalling the OS.


Yes, and the Ultimate version was worth as much as the PC I was buying. This was not an option for the future owner.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Should have bought a Dell

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

They didn't have any Dells under 500$CAN at the store (tax + extended warranty included). Even then, all the Dells had Vista on them.

If I hadn't been in a situation where I needed to get the computer NOW, I would have shopped around town to find a place that still sold PCs with XP. As it is, the new owners will probably have to fork out more cash in order to get more memory (then again, maybe they'll just learn to live with the sluggishness - they aren't heavy computer users).

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