Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Apr 2007 18:12 UTC, submitted by FreeRhino
GNU, GPL, Open Source "When free software supporters participate in the French presidential election on April 22 for the first round of voting, they will have information that may be unique in the world: position statements from all major parties on issues about free software, copyright, patents, and digital rights. Even more surprisingly - at least from a North American [ed. note: or the rest of Europe, sadly] perspective - a majority of the candidates have heard of these issues and developed positions on them."
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Corporate whore
by nicholas on Tue 24th Apr 2007 18:27 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-07

Except for Sarkozy, the candidates also agreed that consumers should have the right to buy a computer without any preloaded software, and that students should learn, as the questionnaire put it, not "a product line" such as Microsoft Office, but rather "tool categories," such as word processors or spreadsheets.


If Sarkozy wins, the people of France should be ashamed of themselves.

Edited 2007-04-24 18:27

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RE: Politically-pandering whores
by tomcat on Tue 24th Apr 2007 18:41 in reply to "Corporate whore"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Since when do citizens have a "right" to order a manufacturer to deliver them a particular product? If a market exists, someone will exploit it. And there are plenty of manufacturers that will sell you a machine without preloaded software. All that you have to do is open your eyes.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Well, citizens have "every" right. Even in USA. It's about making an exception for the benefit of the commons. Whether or not it is fair is a different situation.

However. When it comes to software in the public administration it is obvious that proprietary software and proprietary standards are a big "no no". An authority relying on proprietary software/standards is a corrupt authority.

What Average Joe is using is however a matter of agreement between him and the manufacturer. Within certain limits (some rights cannot or should not be surrendered).

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

BTW:

It is virtually impossible to buy a PC without Windows preloaded. At best you can buy it without a license and you'll have to buy a license in order to activate the Windows installation on the machine.

If the citizens cannot get the right to buy PC without Windows pre-installed then Microsoft should be denied the option of pre-installing software.

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miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

If a market exists, someone will exploit it.

Yup, monopolists will exploit it.

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Unbeliever Member since:
2005-07-09

Citizens have a right to have choice; when that choice is being taken away from them by illegal tactics, such as the ones Microsoft employs, then they have the right to demand that the government step in, and make the manufacturers offer what the people want: choices and a variety of them.

It's the beauty of anti-trust laws and one of the advantages of a free and open economy: no monopolies and certainly no companies that threaten to withdraw their product from a reseller unless they sell his, and only his, product.

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mmu_man Member since:
2006-09-30

Average Joe has no choice of the OS loaded on PCs at supermarkets. While it would be nice to have a Linux option, the "no OS" choice is more neutral.

In France, forcing ppl to buy Windows with a PC and hiding its cost on the bill, while it is sold also separately, is illegal. This is called "linked selling". But supermarkets don't care usually, and the administration that should make this law respected only starts to consider the issue.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Since when do citizens have a "right" to order a manufacturer to deliver them a particular product?


Anyone has a right to order anything they want - doesn't mean they'll actually get it, however.

Obviously they have no valid reason to expect those demands to be delivered on. But it's also important to acknowledge that - by the same token - commercial entities that make product decisions based solely on self-serving factors (as opposed to customer wishes) have exactly the same amount of right to expect any sales of those products.

Jumping from the specific to the general, I think that illustrates the fundamental problem with modern capitalism. As a business partner of mine puts it, there are two attitudes one can take towards customers: assume that every customer will only do business with you once, and that - as a result - you need to milk as much cash from them in that one transaction as possible. That model can bring it a lot of money in the short term, but I don't think it's sustainable over the long term (cough-cough-America-Online-cough-cough) - the assumption that you will only deal with a customer once can very easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The other model is to act as if every customer were your best/oldest client. That can become self-fufilling prophecy too, but it takes more work and more time to see a meaningful return - so we get the "race to the bottom" effect where most companies gravitate towards the first mentality once they get to a certain size.

Of course, the reality is that - thanks to deregulation - the "vampire" method of doing business can have its lifespan artificially extended somewhat by using mergers/acquisitions as a form of life support. Ultimately, though, I think that sort of action is just as futile as burning your clothes in a bonfire in an attempt to keep warm. Although the analogy isn't perfect - the present mentality of "in order to be successful, a company must not only grow - but also increase the rate at which it grows" is more analogous to intentionally purchasing clothes to use as bonfire fuel.

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RE: Corporate whore
by Charles A Landemaine on Tue 24th Apr 2007 19:27 in reply to "Corporate whore"
Charles A Landemaine Member since:
2005-11-11

I agree. Sarkozy is George Bush's next poodle. If he becomes president, the French will have to get ready to fight in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or any other stupid war out there with Bush.

Sarkozy has passed a number of laws that reduce human freedom, and as we can see, he's against freedom even for software. This kind of person is bad for mankind and takes a country back 50 years.

Damit!

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v RE: Corporate whore
by JMcCarthy on Tue 24th Apr 2007 19:45 in reply to "Corporate whore"
RE[2]: Corporate whore
by nicholas on Tue 24th Apr 2007 19:50 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
nicholas Member since:
2005-07-07

Because Sarkozy isn't cozy with free-software? or some of the other baseless claims made against him?

If Royal wins the people of France are foolish. Her solution to everything is raise more taxes and expand social programs while the nation is on the verge of economic crisis. It says a lot when her economic adviser gets up and walks away.


This is a computing website, not an economics discussion forum.

Go elsewhere if you want to discuss such things, there are plenty of places that would welcome your opinions Senator McCarthy.

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by MORB on Tue 24th Apr 2007 19:59 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
MORB Member since:
2005-07-06

At least we know what royal's position are.

Sarkozy position's always been whatever will get him elected. He's a school case of an ambitious opportunist and it's very difficult to know what his actual ideas are.

The fact he didn't really answer those questions regarding patents mean one thing: he doesn't know what the voters he need to convince nowadays want and don't want to take a position until he knows.

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RE: Corporate whore
by kaiwai on Tue 24th Apr 2007 20:29 in reply to "Corporate whore"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

If Sarkozy wins, the people of France should be ashamed of themselves.


Oh yes, how absolutely terrible expecting that French work longer than a 35 hour work week.

Someone needs to wake them up over there, 35 hour work week for everyone else outside the EU is consider a holiday.

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by dimosd on Tue 24th Apr 2007 20:55 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
dimosd Member since:
2006-02-10

>Someone needs to wake them up over there, 35 hour work week for everyone else outside the EU is consider a holiday.

Alright, but working 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week, since you were 12 years old, until they carry you out in a wheel chair is not a new concept.

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by smitty on Tue 24th Apr 2007 20:55 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

I don't know why everyone always rags on the French for their short work week. Envy? Let them work however long they want - they'll certainly pay the price for certain policies in their economy, but if they think that's worth it then who are we to complain?

It's almost like people think it is morally wrong to work less, and I don't get that at all.

Edited 2007-04-24 21:02

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by archiesteel on Tue 24th Apr 2007 20:58 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

There's nothing inherently wrong with a 35-hour work week. Automation means we can now do more while working less hours. Also, working more hours doesn't mean that you're more productive, especially when you have situations like in the U.S. where a large proportion of workers suffer from sleep deprivation.

This is all rooted in America's protestant work ethics, which basically means that you should feel guilty if you don't overwork yourself. What you end up with is people pulling in long hours, but not being as productive as they could be during those hours.

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by stestagg on Tue 24th Apr 2007 21:12 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
stestagg Member since:
2006-06-03

Luckily, (or unluckily for my working hours) the EU isn't one country. the 35 Hour average week is pretty much restricted to France. Here in the UK, full time hours tend to start at 37-40/week.

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by what on Wed 25th Apr 2007 08:10 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
what Member since:
2006-01-04

Hey, 35 hours is enough for me.. Welcome to my life!!
BTW, in my company, many people work more than 35 hours/week, french or not. Not me, believe it or not, I have a life to live after work.

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RE[2]: Corporate whore
by vondur on Wed 25th Apr 2007 16:38 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
vondur Member since:
2005-07-07

Man, I would love a 35 hour work week, provided that I kept my current salary. That would be at least 15-20 hours a week I would get back.

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v RE: Corporate whore
by ronaldst on Tue 24th Apr 2007 21:11 in reply to "Corporate whore"
RE[2]: Corporate whore
by archiesteel on Tue 24th Apr 2007 21:34 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

They should. If I were french I would have voted Le Pen.


So, in addition to being a free-market ideologue, you're also a racist?

Mods, feel free to mod me down...but anyone who says he would have voted for Le Pen deserves all the scorn they can get!

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RE: Corporate whore
by renox on Tue 24th Apr 2007 22:16 in reply to "Corporate whore"
renox Member since:
2005-07-06

>If Sarkozy wins, the people of France should be ashamed of themselves.

Only if you vote for him..

As for being ashamed: the same way Americans should be ashamed for having elected Bush *twice*??
And reelecting him after he started a war for false reason (non existant WMD) triggering a (very predictable) huge chaos killing >600.000 person!!

I doubt that Sarkozy will cause indirectly the death of >600.000 persons as Bush did..
That said, he has already a big responsibility in the riots which took place in French suburbs, even before being elected :-(

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v RE[2]: Corporate whore
by Southern.Pride on Wed 25th Apr 2007 03:09 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"
v RE[2]: Corporate whore
by Southern.Pride on Wed 25th Apr 2007 03:12 in reply to "RE: Corporate whore"