Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 10th May 2007 01:53 UTC, submitted by editingwhiz
Red Hat Red Hat announced a new client product, Red Hat Global Desktop, at its annual Red Hat Summit tradeshow in San Diego. This move is designed, in part, to compete with Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Desktop, which has achieved success in business desktop markets, and with Ubuntu 7.04, which will soon appear on Dell PCs. Some reporting about this can also be found at the company's magazine. Update: Elsewhere, talking security with Red Hat's Mark Cox.
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RE[2]: No mp3 support?
by dylansmrjones on Thu 10th May 2007 11:54 UTC in reply to "RE: No mp3 support?"
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2005-10-02

Nah, he is just a troll trying to start trouble based on the fact that Fedora doesn't support mp3 out of the box.

RHGD will of course be capable of mp3 playback but most likely one will have to install required packages to gain this functionality.

Besides that. The paradigm hasn't shifted. The Desktop is still the Desktop and data and software still needs to be stored locally. Only for very few small things can the net be used for collaboration (GMail and other irrelevant services - just another rehashed hotmail-clone ;) .

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RE[3]: No mp3 support?
by chemical_scum on Thu 10th May 2007 16:13 in reply to "RE[2]: No mp3 support?"
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2005-11-02

Besides that. The paradigm hasn't shifted. The Desktop is still the Desktop and data and software still needs to be stored locally. Only for very few small things can the net be used for collaboration (GMail and other irrelevant services - just another rehashed hotmail-clone ;) .

I think there is a slow change in the paradigm. RH is after all developing a desktop client for the range from SMB to large corporation. It is not so much designed for running applications across the web to an outside supplier but to run them over the corporate intranet. More and more stuff comes this way from your Oracle client to the increasing success of Red Hat's partner Zimbra, in providing an alternative to Outlook and Exchange, using web based technology on an intranet.

JavaWebstart is a way to dynamically supply and update applications that remain available offline.

I find the need for inumerable installations of MS Office completely pointless and work creating for the IT staff that has to support this. If your office software is supplied across the network from a server, run remotely on a server or supplied as an intranet webapp, any of these approaches will simplify things.

As for data, at work I store all my documents and data on the corporate network for automatic backup, collaboration with colleagues and the ability to access it from any corporate computer. So even though I have a local copy of Office on my system if the network goes down I cannot do any productive work. We are all totally reliant on the network, the Windows desktop paradigm does not reflect this.

I think we are edging towards a paradigm that mixes the best of the "thick" PC desktop and the thin client philosophy. I think RH is thinking of the desktop from the server side as much as from the client side.

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RE[4]: No mp3 support?
by dylansmrjones on Thu 10th May 2007 22:59 in reply to "RE[2]: No mp3 support?"
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2005-10-02

I think we are edging towards a paradigm that mixes the best of the "thick" PC desktop and the thin client philosophy. I think RH is thinking of the desktop from the server side as much as from the client side.


That paradigm has existed all the time computers have existed. It's known as the Desktop paradigm. The fact some things can be run remotely doesn't change the paradigm the least bit, since this has been a part of the Desktop paradigm all the time. And was a part of the computing paradigm from the very beginning (though it took decades for the first implementation to show).

The paradigm hasn't changed at all.

As for data, at work I store all my documents and data on the corporate network for automatic backup, collaboration with colleagues and the ability to access it from any corporate computer. So even though I have a local copy of Office on my system if the network goes down I cannot do any productive work. We are all totally reliant on the network, the Windows desktop paradigm does not reflect this.


Running software and storing documents on a locally remote server isn't really remote since the connection speed is quite different. And you are not exactly storing your work documents on a server at another continent ;) - personally I tend to store documents on the local machine AND at the server (because I can only access the server through VPN and not the local machine). The fact you cannot do any productive work when the network goes down is all the evidence we need for making it clear that the Desktopless Desktop isn't a good paradigm. I can luckily keep working even if the network goes down (and it does because the IT-guys are incompetent - according to me, my classmates and our teachers ;)

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RE[5]: No mp3 support?
by chemical_scum on Fri 11th May 2007 13:53 in reply to "RE[4]: No mp3 support?"
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2005-11-02

The fact you cannot do any productive work when the network goes down is all the evidence we need for making it clear that the Desktopless Desktop isn't a good paradigm. I can luckily keep working even if the network goes down (and it does because the IT-guys are incompetent - according to me, my classmates and our teachers ;)

Even if I had my documents locally available I really wouldn't be able to do much on them without access to our databases or the web. Our IT guys are not incompetent, some of them have learned how to set up RH servers in what used to be a totally MS shop so the network only goes down when Bell Canada drill holes through the cables which is fortunately quite rare.

That paradigm has existed all the time computers have existed. It's known as the Desktop paradigm

You must be too young to remember that computers existed before the desktop paradigm. The first computers I worked with were DEC PDP8's and PDP11's no desktop there, we had text based terminals like VT100's. The desktop paradigm was invented at the Palo Alto labs of Xerox and purloined by Apple for Lisa and then the first Mac's, in the original concept this was primarily a free standing system.

As far as MS goes the original MSDOS , Win 1.x and 2.x environments were originally for free standing systems with any network connectivity grafted on as third party applications. At that time it was the Unix Workstation environment that was naturally built around the network with NFS etc.

I still remember the shock going from grad school in a university environment where every thing was connected together via NFS to a small scientific start up company with about 30 free standing PC's running DOS and no network.

A new paradigm is beginning to emerge in part because the corporate intranet has become more than the pretty toy it was just five years ago and the new dream it was ten to twelve years ago. But really it is the total of the network based technologies that is downgrading the need for "fat client" desktops.

We have a global corporate portal, a local (national) portal and a laboratory portal. We use Citrix widely and Oracle via the Browser/Java client. We have an increasing deployment of diskless fanless thin clients. However Windows has not adjusted to the new paradigm. We don't need bloatware like Vista to power our desktops.

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