Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th May 2007 19:06 UTC, submitted by FreeRhino
Linux Linus Torvalds has announced the first release candidate for version 2.6.22 of the Linux kernel, noting that the changelog itself for this release is just too big to put on the mailing list. According to the kernel-meister himself: "The diffstat and shortlogs are way too big to fit under the kernel mailing list limits, and the changes are all over the place. Almost seven thousand files changed, and that's not double-counting the files that got moved around. Architecture updates, drivers, filesystems, networking, security, build scripts, reorganizations, cleanups... You name it, it's there."
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RE[3]: Yeah
by codergeek42 on Mon 14th May 2007 20:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah"
codergeek42
Member since:
2006-01-07

You mean a stable in-kernel API? That's nonsense; and here's why: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/stable_api_nonsense.html

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RE[4]: Yeah
by LB06 on Mon 14th May 2007 21:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah"
LB06 Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, but you do know that that is a very idealistic if not arrogant point of view, right? Not everybody can or wants the driver in the mainline kernel, given the nature of the GPL.

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RE[5]: Yeah
by codergeek42 on Mon 14th May 2007 21:28 in reply to "RE[4]: Yeah"
codergeek42 Member since:
2006-01-07

"Yeah, but you do know that that is a very idealistic if not arrogant point of view, right?"

Linux, by its very nature of being Free, is entirely idealistic. It is this idealism that has brought us as a community as far as we are in terms of features, speed, and stability. It is this idealism that will push us even further in the coming generations.


"Not everybody can or wants the driver in the mainline kernel, given the nature of the GPL."

Eh? Just because it's in the mainline kernel doesn't mean it's necessarily GPL on its own. Many drivers in the kernel are under a dual BSD/GPL or MIT/GPL license. That is, if you removed them from the kernel and used them in a standalone fashion in your software, you could then write the software complying to the BSD or MIT licenses (therefore perhaps making it proprietary).

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RE[5]: Yeah
by diegocg on Mon 14th May 2007 21:44 in reply to "RE[4]: Yeah"
diegocg Member since:
2005-07-08

Yeah, but you do know that that is a very idealistic if not arrogant point of view, right? Not everybody can or wants the driver in the mainline kernel, given the nature of the GPL.


No. This is a very simple equation. Most of the linux drivers are in the tree. Only a few, specially closed-source drivers, are out of the tree.

So Linux just optimizes their work. It'd be stupid to optimize the workflow and spent time creating a maintaining a binary kernel ABI if most of the driver do not need an ABI at all.

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RE[4]: Yeah
by ormandj on Tue 15th May 2007 00:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

http://www4.osnews.com/permalink?239517
http://www4.osnews.com/permalink?239553

You were already refuted once, and the same still stands true. You still haven't responded. Give it a rest, posting the same biased opinion piece over and over won't make it true.

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