Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th May 2007 18:54 UTC
Gnome In the GNOME bugzilla, there is an ongoing discussion about whether or not to include a patch into the default GNOME installation which would enable GNOME to (optionally) have a global application menubar, similar to that of the Mac OS and KDE (in the latter it is optional and off by default). Installation instructions and .deb packages, as well as a 60-page (and counting) discussion of the patch, are available on the UbuntuForums. Read on for a poll on this issue.
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RE[2]: Why?
by sbergman27 on Thu 17th May 2007 19:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Why?"
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Member since:
2005-07-24

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The question you should be asking is this: "why not?"
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No. The question is "why?". Options should not be added to the UI needlessly. It must have a solid reason to be there.

I'm surprised that you, Eugenia, would look at it that way. I would have expected that including UI options without solid reason would go against your philosophy, as I understand it.

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RE[3]: Why?
by Pseudo Cyborg on Thu 17th May 2007 20:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Why?"
Pseudo Cyborg Member since:
2005-07-09

Options should not be added to the UI needlessly. It must have a solid reason to be there.


You're absolutely right. The reason is simple: I find it to be a UI enhancement. Changing the question to "why not" really makes a solid point. UI camps are divided on the issue, but it's a fairly equal division. It's times like that where having it as an option that's off by default is the best route.

The answer to "why" is very simple: because there are enough users out there that find it useful to warrant such inclusion as an option that's off by default.

"Why not" is brought up because so many are immensely and adamantly opposed and, quite frankly, for no reason other than that they don't particularly want it.

That's not to say that every option need be present in Gnome. This particular one, however, deserves a place.

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RE[3]: Why?
by diegocg on Thu 17th May 2007 21:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Why?"
diegocg Member since:
2005-07-08

1) Because if you put the menues in a OSX-like menubar, then the windows doesn't needs to have enougth width to have them in the window. If you have used Adium, you have like 7 menues, or even more, in the OS-X menu bar. The Adium window design only could have 2 or 3. Having menues in a separate bar separes the menues design from the GUI design.

2) Microsoft have tried to design an interface that has the same objective (make the menu bar disappear from the window UI), the ribbon thing. The Apple approach looks cleaner IMO.

3) Cleaner window UI, due to 1)

4) It's easier to find the menues that way, they are always on top of the screen

4) Since all the windows share the same menu bar, you save screen space when you've multiple apps opened.

5) You can use it as "system" menu bar. This saves you from using the app launcher to find the "shutdown" function.

6) Because Apple is the most usable OS, they really care about usability and there must be some reason why they do it (sorry for the weak reasonement but it's true)

Disadvantage: The menues are separated so it's not directly obvious that they're related to the app you've opened. It's ver very easy to get used to it, though.

Edited 2007-05-17 21:16

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RE[4]: Why?
by Stock on Thu 17th May 2007 22:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Why?"
Stock Member since:
2005-08-31

7) It's been proven to be a faster method of using a menu. It's late and I can't remember the reference though. By having it at the top of the screen you can just move your mouse upwards without having to target a specific vertical space. Because the mouse is bounded by the screen that small bar becomes, in terms of hand movements needed, a much larger area.

The usability gurus seem to love it but personally I hate it.

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RE[3]: Why?
by twenex on Fri 18th May 2007 08:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Why?"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

The question is "who chose to put application menus at the top of every window?" It's a waste of space.

Personally, as by now I have no doubt said many times here, I'm holding out for menus that disappear unless you click a mouse button.

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