Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th May 2007 18:54 UTC
Gnome In the GNOME bugzilla, there is an ongoing discussion about whether or not to include a patch into the default GNOME installation which would enable GNOME to (optionally) have a global application menubar, similar to that of the Mac OS and KDE (in the latter it is optional and off by default). Installation instructions and .deb packages, as well as a 60-page (and counting) discussion of the patch, are available on the UbuntuForums. Read on for a poll on this issue.
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RE[2]: Why?
by stestagg on Thu 17th May 2007 20:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Why?"
stestagg
Member since:
2006-06-03

I agree with your comments about Fitts law, but global menubars break basic UI design. The application menus belong to the application and not to the screen/desktop.

It's not my place to say which set of laws should win, but there is a conflict between them here.

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RE[3]: Why?
by rayiner on Thu 17th May 2007 20:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Why?"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

It should be noted that in the Mac paradigm, windows belong to applications, which exist independently of windows. The menubar is the central representative of the application as a whole, so it makes sense to put application-global functionality in a place separate from any window. Most other UIs conflate applications and windows in a way that the Mac UI does not.

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RE[4]: Why?
by Spellcheck on Thu 17th May 2007 20:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Why?"
Spellcheck Member since:
2007-01-20

And that made beautiful sense when we had a single-tasking Finder. I liked it, anyway.

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RE[4]: Why?
by Luminair on Thu 17th May 2007 20:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Why?"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

That is true. If you had a system with a large number of multi-window applications, that system would do well with the Mac-style menu bar. Windows and Ubuntu are not such systems, however ;)

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RE[4]: Why?
by hobgoblin on Thu 17th May 2007 23:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Why?"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

but then you dont have the funny experience of closing every window and still have programs running.

i would love to toss the whole idea of programs. rather make them into plugins or extensions tied to file types.

if i have a file type open, said plugin is loaded by the system. when no such file type is active in any window, toss said plugin away for now.

today one have to all to often link file types with programs to get anything done...

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