Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 22nd May 2007 03:43 UTC
General Unix Would you be able to survive one full day without using the X server? Linux offers us a wide assortment of CLI based tools which use curses and/or framebuffer for functional user interfaces. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able look up stuff online, read your email, look at pictures, watch movies and listen to music as you are trying to configure X.
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RE[2]: Short answer...
by Morin on Tue 22nd May 2007 08:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Short answer..."
Morin
Member since:
2005-12-31

> Pretty much everything is doable, except interactive graphics editing
> and accessing broken websites.

Add websites with Flash *content* like Youtube (certainly not broken).

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RE[3]: Short answer...
by jessta on Tue 22nd May 2007 09:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

Playing video in flash is certainly broken.
We already have perfectly fine media players to play videos on. eg. mplayer

There is no reason to force a user to use a media player that the site owner decides.

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RE[4]: Short answer...
by Morin on Tue 22nd May 2007 15:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Short answer..."
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

> Playing video in flash is certainly broken.

If playing video in flash doesn't work for you, then it's likely a problem with your distro, not with the website. I can watch Youtube videos on both OSX and Windows, and for what I know Linux should do it too, so it's probably not the website that is broken.

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RE[4]: Short answer...
by Doc Pain on Tue 22nd May 2007 23:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Short answer..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Playing video in flash is certainly broken."

"Broken" is not the word I would have used. I'd say (ab)using "Flash" as a replacement for HTML, images and video streaming is sick.

Most video portals today use "Flash". I would not complain if "Flash" would be an open standard, implemented as a standard feature in every major browser, such as the Javascript interpreter or the HTML and image renderer. But it's not that easy today. I think the company manufacturing "Flash" is to be blamed here, as well as the content providers pushing "Flash" onto users' desktops.

"We already have perfectly fine media players to play videos on. eg. mplayer"

We had them years ago, but nobody uses them. Open standards? Pah! Interoperability? Hah! Worst solution always wins. :-)

"There is no reason to force a user to use a media player that the site owner decides."

But that's the way it is. You want this? You need that. Some web sites even require outdated and strange browsers to work, and why is this? Because some Skriptkiddie is not smart enough to use Javascript properly.

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RE[4]: Short answer...
by Dima on Wed 23rd May 2007 00:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Short answer..."
Dima Member since:
2006-04-06

I'm not sure if mplayer is a "perfectly fine media player"... As much as I hate flash, it "just works".

Mplayer and Xine are just not as friendly. Can I fast-forward and rewind to any place in the file? Can I wait until the video is buffered completely? Sometimes... but usually it doesn't work.

And it's not just mpeg, flv, wmv, etc. files - ogg files don't play any better.

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