Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 22nd May 2007 03:43 UTC
General Unix Would you be able to survive one full day without using the X server? Linux offers us a wide assortment of CLI based tools which use curses and/or framebuffer for functional user interfaces. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able look up stuff online, read your email, look at pictures, watch movies and listen to music as you are trying to configure X.
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by Oliver on Tue 22nd May 2007 08:29 UTC
Oliver
Member since:
2006-07-15

Yes, ask an administrator for example. Imo the console in Unix is more powerful than every X application. I'm really productive without bloatware like KDE/Gnome.

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by h3rman on Tue 22nd May 2007 09:07 in reply to "re"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

> I'm really productive without bloatware like KDE/Gnome.

KDE/Gnome are not bloatware.
They can run quite smoothly on relatively modest hardware. And they can provide just a nice basic DE if you strip 'em down a bit (window manager, file manager, a few config tools).
They're just not for you, apparently.

There is a huge inflation of the word "bloatware" in software land.

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by bogomipz on Tue 22nd May 2007 10:35 in reply to "RE: re"
bogomipz Member since:
2005-07-11

If you strip a DE down to just the WM and FM, then what exactly do you get that you don't have with standalone components, like WindowMaker or OpenBox + ROX or Thunar?

I guess KDE/GNOME are not for me either.

There is a huge inflation of the word "bloatware"

Agreed.

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by orestes on Tue 22nd May 2007 11:03 in reply to "RE: re"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

There is a huge inflation of the word "bloatware" in software land.

Understatement of the century

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by phi-lyrae on Tue 22nd May 2007 19:24 in reply to "RE: re"
phi-lyrae Member since:
2006-06-17

> KDE/Gnome are not bloatware.

emerge -pv gnome
Total: 218 packages (218 new)

emerge -pv kde
Total: 57 packages

And I have almost all my use flags turned off. I'm not saying it can't be stripped down, but on most distros, thats what you're going to get when you install gnome or kde.

ion3 is enough for me. Besides a web browser and rxvt-unicode, I don't need (or use for that matter) any other x apps. And I prefer to surf in full screen in another workspace anyway. I'm not saying this is better than using gnome or kde; different solutions for different needs. If anything I wish I was less dependent on the keyboard. My wrists can't take many more years of this.

Those looking for a good text based browser should checkout w3m. It's the best of the bunch imho.

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by Doc Pain on Tue 22nd May 2007 23:32 in reply to "re"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Yes, ask an administrator for example. Imo the console in Unix is more powerful than every X application."

As I mentioned before, the command line is fully programmable, a feature that no X application provides. This is its strength. Maybe today's administrators see no need for a CLI access, but in case of trouble, you're happy with it. Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but I would not be happy with a system that does not provide the most direct and easiest access to its power.

"I'm really productive without bloatware like KDE/Gnome."

Na na, I don't think KDE or Gnome are bloatware. Use the right tool for every task. Both KDE and Gnome, as well as other desktop environments or window managers have their right to exist, their purpose, their fans, and are able to help doing a lot of things.

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