Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 22nd May 2007 03:43 UTC
General Unix Would you be able to survive one full day without using the X server? Linux offers us a wide assortment of CLI based tools which use curses and/or framebuffer for functional user interfaces. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able look up stuff online, read your email, look at pictures, watch movies and listen to music as you are trying to configure X.
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RE[3]: Short answer...
by jessta on Tue 22nd May 2007 09:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Short answer..."
jessta
Member since:
2005-08-17

Playing video in flash is certainly broken.
We already have perfectly fine media players to play videos on. eg. mplayer

There is no reason to force a user to use a media player that the site owner decides.

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RE[4]: Short answer...
by Morin on Tue 22nd May 2007 15:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Short answer..."
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

> Playing video in flash is certainly broken.

If playing video in flash doesn't work for you, then it's likely a problem with your distro, not with the website. I can watch Youtube videos on both OSX and Windows, and for what I know Linux should do it too, so it's probably not the website that is broken.

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RE[5]: Short answer...
by jessta on Tue 22nd May 2007 15:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Short answer..."
jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

>> Playing video in flash is certainly broken.

>If playing video in flash doesn't work for you, then >it's likely a problem with your distro, not with the >website. I can watch Youtube videos on both OSX and >Windows, and for what I know Linux should do it too, so >it's probably not the website that is broken.

You misunderstand. Playing video in flash is a broken concept not a broken implementation.

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RE[4]: Short answer...
by Doc Pain on Tue 22nd May 2007 23:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Short answer..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Playing video in flash is certainly broken."

"Broken" is not the word I would have used. I'd say (ab)using "Flash" as a replacement for HTML, images and video streaming is sick.

Most video portals today use "Flash". I would not complain if "Flash" would be an open standard, implemented as a standard feature in every major browser, such as the Javascript interpreter or the HTML and image renderer. But it's not that easy today. I think the company manufacturing "Flash" is to be blamed here, as well as the content providers pushing "Flash" onto users' desktops.

"We already have perfectly fine media players to play videos on. eg. mplayer"

We had them years ago, but nobody uses them. Open standards? Pah! Interoperability? Hah! Worst solution always wins. :-)

"There is no reason to force a user to use a media player that the site owner decides."

But that's the way it is. You want this? You need that. Some web sites even require outdated and strange browsers to work, and why is this? Because some Skriptkiddie is not smart enough to use Javascript properly.

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RE[5]: Short answer...
by sbergman27 on Tue 22nd May 2007 23:50 in reply to "RE[4]: Short answer..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""
"Broken" is not the word I would have used. I'd say (ab)using "Flash" as a replacement for HTML, images and video streaming is sick.
"""

Broken, abused, or sick, I must say that when I run into a site with embedded Flash video, I know it is going to work on a Flash-capable Linux box.

Even with the various mplayer, vlc, and Real plugins installed, I usually read "Click Here To View a Mother Fighting Off a Shark To Save Her Kids" as "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here". Typically, I get a popup embedded "player" that just sits there dead on the screen asking if I'm high or low bandwidth, and whether I want Windows Media or Real Video.

I hate flash. But I will give it credit for actually working across platforms.

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RE[4]: Short answer...
by Dima on Wed 23rd May 2007 00:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Short answer..."
Dima Member since:
2006-04-06

I'm not sure if mplayer is a "perfectly fine media player"... As much as I hate flash, it "just works".

Mplayer and Xine are just not as friendly. Can I fast-forward and rewind to any place in the file? Can I wait until the video is buffered completely? Sometimes... but usually it doesn't work.

And it's not just mpeg, flv, wmv, etc. files - ogg files don't play any better.

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RE[5]: Short answer...
by Doc Pain on Wed 23rd May 2007 01:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Short answer..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Mplayer and Xine are just not as friendly. Can I fast-forward and rewind to any place in the file?"

Yes, you just press the cursor keys to navigate in a file, or you click on the buttons provided by kmplayer or gmplayer.

If you have a file that does not support navigation, such as malformed and strangely encoded WMV or AVI streams, you use the proper options, such as -ni, -nobps, -idx and -forceidx (last one always works).

"Can I wait until the video is buffered completely?"

I think you can, just make the setting in mplayer.conf fit your needs.

"Sometimes... but usually it doesn't work."

But it should. Always. Personally, I did not encounter any of the problems you began to describe. But maybe it's because I'm using an older version of mplayer on the box I just tested (mplayer-gtk-esound-0.92.1_1 there). I think other circumstances apply there.

"And it's not just mpeg, flv, wmv, etc. files - ogg files don't play any better."

Hmmm... cannot confirm. Allthough I'm using ogg123 and xmms for ogg file playback, mplayer plays it just fine.

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