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Somehow...
by bornagainenguin on Mon 28th May 2007 21:38 UTC
bornagainenguin
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2005-08-07

I think I've heard this all before...and then Microsoft delived the steaming pile that is Vista ME2.

--bornagainpenguin

RE: Somehow...
by flanque on Mon 28th May 2007 22:32 in reply to "Somehow..."
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

It does beg the question as to what will eventually be delivered, doesn't it? Vista is an excellent example of over promising and under delivering, at least in terms of bullet list features.

That said, I don't think we should be casting Microsoft with such a negative stroke of the brush.. just yet. These announcements are very much public and expectations are beginning to be set. These additions, whilst existing in other operating systems, do push Windows in the right direction. This is something we all need.

Speculation at this point that they wont deliver is about as reliable as speculating that they will deliver. They'll have learnt some big lessons from the Vista experience I'd imagine.

Probably best to wait and see and reserve judgement for a while.

Edited 2007-05-28 22:33

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RE[2]: Somehow...
by kaiwai on Tue 29th May 2007 02:14 in reply to "RE: Somehow..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It does beg the question as to what will eventually be delivered, doesn't it? Vista is an excellent example of over promising and under delivering, at least in terms of bullet list features.


Depends on how you define as 'lack of delivery'. The problem is that Microsoft went too far into detail about what they wanted to deliver, and they said it too early. They talked about the specifics of the project which then built up hype. The hype was like a snow ball, it bought on a life of its own.

For example, the searching capabilities should have been kept to something simple as "Windows Vista will improve the speed and accuracy of searching" - and then, as parts were actually finalised and merged into Windows Vista, announce that a certain feature will be made available. In otherwords, making sure that what you say has actually been done before announcing it.

As for the rest of the post; lets remember, for all the trashing and bashing of Microsoft, they actually do a pretty damn good job. What other operating system out there has the same depth and bredth of software support as Windows? what other operating system has the same level of not only out of the box hardware support, but the number of ISV's who create drivers.

Until there is an operating system that reaches the same level of Windows Vista, both in software availablility and hardware support, I find it very rich when I hear people on this forum bash Microsoft senselessly whilst ignoring the flaws in their operating system of choice.

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RE: Somehow...
by kaiwai on Tue 29th May 2007 01:54 in reply to "Somehow..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I think I've heard this all before...and then Microsoft delived the steaming pile that is Vista ME2.


I disagree. Having had the millions of Windows Vista sold so far, they've had millions of beta testers testing the core components for them. Windows Server hopefully will continue on with the same good progress they made with Windows 2003 when it was released.

Hopefully when Windows Vista SP1 is released, you'll see what Windows Vista was meant to be rather than the current pile of steaming beta code that it is right now. I'm running it right now, and it was a couple of nights ago that an application froze, thats cool, I tried to open up the task manager to kill it. It failed to load. Tried it again, failed to load. Tried to load other applications - again, failed to load, tried to shut down; you guessed it, failed to work. I had to do a hard shutdown (not too sure damage I did in the process) just to get things working again.

Nothing wrong with Windows Vista if you took out the bugs, the problem is that they rushed it to get it out on an unrealistic schedule, and it really shows.

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rtfa Member since:
2006-02-27

and i bet most have been replaced with XP or Linux.

Its hard to buy a box without Vista on it although its getting easier

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RE[2]: Somehow...
by bornagainenguin on Tue 29th May 2007 21:08 in reply to "RE: Somehow..."
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

I'm running it right now, and it was a couple of nights ago that an application froze, thats cool, I tried to open up the task manager to kill it. It failed to load. Tried it again, failed to load. Tried to load other applications - again, failed to load, tried to shut down; you guessed it, failed to work. I had to do a hard shutdown (not too sure damage I did in the process) just to get things working again.

Somehow I don't think this is the ringing endorsement you intended it to be...

--bornagainpenguin (who is tired of paying for the privilege of beta-testing commercial software)

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