Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jun 2007 19:05 UTC
Debian and its clones FreeSoftwareMagazine takes a look at Debian as a desktop system, and they conclude: "I feel that Debian Etch is as good on the desktop as it is on the server. It has a long rich history, a strong community, is amazingly stable and is a great fit for both my servers and my laptop. I urge everyone to give it a go on the desktop."
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RE[3]: finally
by sbergman27 on Tue 5th Jun 2007 22:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: finally"
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

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Tell you what, let's see Ubuntu NOT use ANY Debian packages for the next 3 years. See how far they get...
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Why should they? Perhaps Debian should keep a few bits that they own proprietary to themselves to prevent other distros from competing effectively?

Debian is dedicated to Free Software, right?

I don't understand all the bitching from Debian fans when other distros compete effectively.

It's not like Canonical and Ubuntu advocates do not freely acknowledge that they are standing on the shoulders of giants.

Sometimes is seems like the further one journeys into Free Software land, the more jealous and petty are the people one meets.

Edited 2007-06-05 22:29

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RE[4]: finally
by melkor on Tue 5th Jun 2007 23:15 in reply to "RE[3]: finally"
melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

You miss the gist of my argument. If Ubuntu is that good, and that much better than Debian, and doesn't need Debian as you suggest, then let Ubuntu stand on its own 2 feet and make its own packages from scratch, rather than using Debian made packages. See how far they get then.

I'm not talking about Debian stopping others from using their packages btw. I'm talking about Ubuntu putting its money where its mouth is, and voluntarily ceasing to use Debian packages. They'll never do it, because Mark @ Ubuntu knows he'd have a really tough time and would lose ground really quickly.

Dave

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RE[5]: finally
by sbergman27 on Tue 5th Jun 2007 23:36 in reply to "RE[4]: finally"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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If Ubuntu is that good, and that much better than Debian,

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I'm not talking about Debian stopping others from using their packages btw. I'm talking about Ubuntu putting its money where its mouth is, and voluntarily ceasing to use Debian packages.
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Either what Ubuntu does is trivial or it's not.

If it's trivial, then Debian could easily match, and considering the size of the Debian developer base, exceed it.

If it is not trivial... then considering the size of the Debian developer base, one would think that they could exceed it even more quickly.

Ubuntu appeared out of nowhere, and gained a reputation for polish and attention to detail. No one denies that they did it by building upon the work of the Debian devs.

Still, some Debian fanatics seem very resentful of Ubuntu's success.

I don't respect that attitude. Not at all.

It is petty. And very much in conflict with the cooperative spirit of FOSS.

I imagine that most Debian users are cool with the idea of successful Debian-based distros. And that it is a vocal minority within that community which wails about anything Debian-based which turns out to be successful.

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RE[4]: finally
by Morin on Wed 6th Jun 2007 12:03 in reply to "RE[3]: finally"
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

> Sometimes is seems like the further one journeys
> into Free Software land, the more jealous and petty
> are the people one meets.

Let me tell you... no. Everybody knows that Ubuntu is based on Debian, and would be nothing without it. The Ubuntu guys are enjoying their rights they have been granted (by Debian being free software) to build a product (which many would call better), as an act to benefit the community. That's exactly how it should be.

If people who don't like this course continue bitching around how ungrateful the Ubuntu devs and community are, then this has nothing to do with free software.

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