Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jun 2007 19:05 UTC
Debian and its clones FreeSoftwareMagazine takes a look at Debian as a desktop system, and they conclude: "I feel that Debian Etch is as good on the desktop as it is on the server. It has a long rich history, a strong community, is amazingly stable and is a great fit for both my servers and my laptop. I urge everyone to give it a go on the desktop."
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RE[4]: finally
by melkor on Tue 5th Jun 2007 23:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: finally"
melkor
Member since:
2006-12-16

You miss the gist of my argument. If Ubuntu is that good, and that much better than Debian, and doesn't need Debian as you suggest, then let Ubuntu stand on its own 2 feet and make its own packages from scratch, rather than using Debian made packages. See how far they get then.

I'm not talking about Debian stopping others from using their packages btw. I'm talking about Ubuntu putting its money where its mouth is, and voluntarily ceasing to use Debian packages. They'll never do it, because Mark @ Ubuntu knows he'd have a really tough time and would lose ground really quickly.

Dave

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RE[5]: finally
by sbergman27 on Tue 5th Jun 2007 23:36 in reply to "RE[4]: finally"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

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If Ubuntu is that good, and that much better than Debian,

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I'm not talking about Debian stopping others from using their packages btw. I'm talking about Ubuntu putting its money where its mouth is, and voluntarily ceasing to use Debian packages.
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Either what Ubuntu does is trivial or it's not.

If it's trivial, then Debian could easily match, and considering the size of the Debian developer base, exceed it.

If it is not trivial... then considering the size of the Debian developer base, one would think that they could exceed it even more quickly.

Ubuntu appeared out of nowhere, and gained a reputation for polish and attention to detail. No one denies that they did it by building upon the work of the Debian devs.

Still, some Debian fanatics seem very resentful of Ubuntu's success.

I don't respect that attitude. Not at all.

It is petty. And very much in conflict with the cooperative spirit of FOSS.

I imagine that most Debian users are cool with the idea of successful Debian-based distros. And that it is a vocal minority within that community which wails about anything Debian-based which turns out to be successful.

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RE[6]: finally
by Zedicus on Wed 6th Jun 2007 12:07 in reply to "RE[5]: finally"
Zedicus Member since:
2005-12-05

i dont mind that ubuntu is popular. i do mind that they pee in the stream though. they break debian compatibility and the patches they push up stream more often hurt the debian base becuz of different versions. NO other debian based distro pulls crap like.

AND every other debian based distro takes pride in acknowledging its based on debian. ubuntu barely admits this and gives no credit back to the mother distro, ubuntu would not and could not exhist with out the YEARS of work thouse peeple have spent.

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